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APG Mon Dec 19, 2011 09:24pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by mbyron (Post 806188)
That's fine for NBE. But if a shot went up, I've got a foul: I don't want A to score after that contact, and I don't want anyone stepping on the kid if there's rebounding.
I've got to disagree...that isn't a foul in an NBA, NCAA, or high school game IMO.

grunewar Mon Dec 19, 2011 09:49pm
It's a good point.....
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 806164)
Do your younger guys know who that is? ;)
The adults do.

But, to demonstrate my point, I take the shortest kid and the largest adult and put them at either end of the classroom and I tell the adult to stand there. Then I tell the young man to run as fast as he can right at the adult. He usually looks at me and gives me the "seriously?" :eek: look.

I then discuss the play and ask them what do ya got? It get my point across of LGP, charge, block and inadvertent contact.

Creates a good discussion.

PS - I stop the young boy long before the collision. ;)

BillyMac Mon Dec 19, 2011 09:55pm
Spuds MacKenzie ???
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by grunewar (Post 806137)
Spud Webb/Shaq collision.
Man. Are you showing your age.

BillyMac Mon Dec 19, 2011 10:01pm
I Hate It When That Happens ...
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by rfp (Post 806130)
A1 drives the lane and plows into B1 who has established legal guarding position. A1 goes down in a heap. B1, built like a truck, doesn't even budge.
Man. I hate it when you get a real good look at the defense, have them in a legal position, then they get smacked into by the dribbler, hard, you sound the whistle to call the easiest player control foul you've ever called, sell the call with the best player control foul signal you've ever signaled, and the defender doesn't go down. Been there. Done that. More than once, or twice, in thirty-one years.

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Mon Dec 19, 2011 10:05pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by rfp (Post 806130)
Varsity boys scrimmage. A1 drives the lane and plows into B1 who has established legal guarding position. A1 goes down in a heap. B1, built like a truck, doesn't even budge. I'm prepared to call a PCF, but hold off when B1 doesn't move an inch. If he'd been displaced at all, it was a no-brainer PCF.

So I'm torn between two contradictory guidelines in this sitch: 1) train wreck in the paint should get a whistle and 2) no displacement of the defender = no advantage = no call.

Coach asked about the no-call and I explained my position, but what say you?

Years ago I had a girls' 7th grade game where A1 (her team's PG and barely 4'-06" tall) does a spin move against B1 and when she spins she slams into B2 (about 5-'10" tall and about 165 lbm), she manages to hold onto the ball as she falls to the floor. Everybody and screaming for a foul against B2 and all I have is traveling by A1.

MTD, Sr.

APG Mon Dec 19, 2011 10:11pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 806206)
Man. Are you showing your age.
I am much younger than most people on this board, and everyone I know that follows basketball knows about Spud Webb and most definitely about Shaq.

Welpe Mon Dec 19, 2011 10:35pm
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Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer (Post 806211)
I am much younger than most people on this board, and everyone I know that follows basketball knows about Spud Webb and most definitely about Shaq.
Shhh...it's cute when they wistfully ruminate about how old they are. ;)

bob jenkins Tue Dec 20, 2011 09:26am
Quote:
Originally Posted by mbyron (Post 806193)
If A commits a borderline foul, they're not getting the benefit of the doubt and scoring.
What's a "borderline foul?"

B did his job of stoppng the drive. B wasn't disadvantaged by the contact. A didn't get an advantage by the contact.

No foul, count the basket (as I read the OP).

grunewar Tue Dec 20, 2011 09:32am
"Coach, I'm not penalizing a player for being big. He established LGP and did nothing wrong. Play on."

twocentsworth Tue Dec 20, 2011 12:49pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by rfp (Post 806130)
So I'm torn between two contradictory guidelines in this sitch: 1) train wreck in the paint should get a whistle and 2) no displacement of the defender = no advantage = no call.
this is NOT a train wreck....this is a travel by A1.

rfp Wed Dec 21, 2011 10:15am
not a travel
 
It wasn't a travel, A1 crashed to the floor after the release. Thanks for the support for my no-call.

refiator Thu Dec 22, 2011 12:08am
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Originally Posted by twocentsworth (Post 806478)
this is NOT a train wreck....this is a travel by A1.
That's a bail out...for the official. Works under some scenarios, but sometimes you have to suck it up and be ready to explain to the coach that a brick wall doesn't always initiate contact.

SNIPERBBB Thu Dec 22, 2011 12:16am
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Originally Posted by refiator (Post 807278)
That's a bail out...for the official. Works under some scenarios, but sometimes you have to suck it up and be ready to explain to the coach that a brick wall doesn't always initiate contact.
Never heard of a brick wall initiating contact unless it fell to the ground...

BktBallRef Thu Dec 22, 2011 12:20am
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Originally Posted by SNIPERBBB (Post 807282)
Never heard of a brick wall initiating contact unless it fell to the ground...
Never seen a brick wall fall forward?

SNIPERBBB Thu Dec 22, 2011 12:24am
Not lately, at least not with some unfortunate ball handler running towards it.


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