suspensions coming?

[dahoopref]

I just saw an interesting clip on ESPN's Sportscenter on this.

It's a closeup of #52 (Holloway) from Xavier talking trash to the Cincinnati bench the entire way up the court and Coach Cronin alerting the Trail of the actions; he is asking for a technical foul to be called. All this happens before the initial skirmish that leads to the melee.

This is one of the times where I hope the T should've had game awareness of what was happening and addressed it ASAP. The player's actions erupt in a matter of seconds but perhaps a quick T on #52 could've stopped it initially.

Thoughts?

[KCRC]

Originally Posted by dahoopref

I just saw an interesting clip on ESPN's Sportscenter on this.

It's a closeup of #52 (Holloway) from Xavier talking trash to the Cincinnati bench the entire way up the court and Coach Cronin alerting the Trail of the actions; he is asking for a technical foul to be called. All this happens before the initial skirmish that leads to the melee.

This is one of the times where I hope the T should've had game awareness of what was happening and addressed it ASAP. The player's actions erupt in a matter of seconds but perhaps a quick T on #52 could've stopped it initially.

Thoughts?

This is a point that Coach Cronin made in his postgame press conference. It appears there was plenty of chirping going on most of the game. Perhaps the crew could have been more aggressive in warning and whacking the talking earlier in the game. Even IF that is true, that is still no excuse to clear the benches and duke it out (a point Coach Cronin made clear in his press conference).

[refiator]

Man, what a mess. The fight rule is a very logical rule, but when put in the position to enforce it, is very, very difficult.
THis is one of very few reasons why instant replay is actually a good thing.

[APG]

Originally Posted by refiator

Man, what a mess. The fight rule is a very logical rule, but when put in the position to enforce it, is very, very difficult.
THis is one of very few reasons why instant replay is actually a good thing.

I would think games with instant replay would make enforcing the fight rule a lot easier...and it allows all three officials to try and break up an altercation before it gets too bad, since anything missed can be seen on replay. I would have been very interested to see how they enforced the penalties if they didn't call the game. Lots of FF2 and indirects to the head coaches.

[JRutledge]

I think this is going to change sports in at least college. I think we are going to see a lot of changes with players and their Twitter, Facebook or any other social media site and it will change the way officials are seen for not calling or addressing issues of trash talk. I cannot believe that at least one T was not given for some of those exchanges before the fight took place. This was on National TV, not in a local gym where no one knows the parties involved like many of us will work.

Peace

[fiasco]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I think we are going to see a lot of changes with players and their Twitter, Facebook or any other social media site and it will change the way officials are seen for not calling or addressing issues of trash talk.

I'm not following you. What does what happens on Facebook or Twitter have anything to do with what happens on the court?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by fiasco

I'm not following you. What does what happens on Facebook or Twitter have anything to do with what happens on the court?

A lot of comments were made on Twitter before the game about one of the Xavier players not being able to make the Cincinnati team or start. I think is could lead to either NCAA policies about what they say on these forums or schools are going to take further actions and either ban their players from having these sites or hold them accountable much more for what they say. This to me is no different than what happened in football when Miami would get into fights with teams by bringing multiple players to the coin flip. Now the rules only allow a certain number and they have "free zones" where players cannot even go during warm-ups. I could see this changing how things are done or at least put it into consideration when these incidents take place.

Peace

[APG]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I think this is going to change sports in at least college. I think we are going to see a lot of changes with players and their Twitter, Facebook or any other social media site and it will change the way officials are seen for not calling or addressing issues of trash talk. I cannot believe that at least one T was not given for some of those exchanges before the fight took place. This was on National TV, not in a local gym where no one knows the parties involved like many of us will work.

Peace

The NCAA recently suspended a football player for what he posted on Twitter...which is the first case of this happening (which I don't agree with). I agree, that I don't know how more T's weren't handed out...it's not as if this was an isolated incident.

[The_Rookie]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I think this is going to change sports in at least college. I think we are going to see a lot of changes with players and their Twitter, Facebook or any other social media site and it will change the way officials are seen for not calling or addressing issues of trash talk. I cannot believe that at least one T was not given for some of those exchanges before the fight took place. This was on National TV, not in a local gym where no one knows the parties involved like many of us will work.

Peace

It was a fairly young crew in terms of number of games worked. The CC on the game was Mike Roberts who has done many top 25 games but the others much less experience..

[Larks]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I think this is going to change sports in at least college. ... and it will change the way officials are seen for not calling or addressing issues of trash talk.

I hope you are right. I hope it trickles down to HS. Ive heard too many veterans say they have not called a T in years as if its an accomplishment. Unfortunately, Ive also seen referees punished BY THEIR SUPERVISORS for calling multiple Ts in a game sliding out of control.

Maybe the line "I'm not going to have a situation like in the crosstown develop" when we using Ts as a tool will remind the coaches what were doing.

[26 Year Gap]

Originally Posted by Larks

I hope you are right. I hope it trickles down to HS. Ive heard too many veterans say they have not called a T in years as if its an accomplishment. Unfortunately, Ive also seen referees punished BY THEIR SUPERVISORS for calling multiple Ts in a game sliding out of control.

Maybe the line "I'm not going to have a situation like in the crosstown develop" when we using Ts as a tool will remind the coaches what were doing.

The tail wagging the dog is a definite problem. Coaches blackballing officials who punish bad behavior should not be punished themselves. Perhaps coaches should have to explain to presidents of their universities as to why they want an official banned from doing their games.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Larks

I hope you are right. I hope it trickles down to HS. Ive heard too many veterans say they have not called a T in years as if its an accomplishment. Unfortunately, Ive also seen referees punished BY THEIR SUPERVISORS for calling multiple Ts in a game sliding out of control.

Maybe the line "I'm not going to have a situation like in the crosstown develop" when we using Ts as a tool will remind the coaches what were doing.

Think about it this way, when have we seen a fight in a high profile game like this in basketball in this era of internet and TV to the level it is now? I am sure this will be on the NCAA site in in a week with the NCAA commenting on what they feel the officials should do in the future. I remember even some time ago this very specific issue was addressed with what happened after a timeout and the same actions were going on here. I just feel some kind of message to the officials are going to be sent and supervisors do not get out the message, the NCAA will. I know I am terrified of a fight and try to stop these kinds of things as much as possible. I will probably be quicker now on the whistle than I have ever been. Then again we have had many fights in our area, but it another thing to see it on video.

Peace

[IREFU2]

Another sad day in NCAA Sports.

[Jeremy Hohn]

I concur with the earlier statements where officials feel good about "getting out unscathed" without any T's even when they are warranted.

You don't have anything to lose with hitting both trash talkers with "T"s or in the case of #52, just whacking him and going to the POI. The grabbing of the shorts should have been a Flagrant 1 and sent the message that the presence of the crew needed to be respected by the "gangstas" on the court for both teams.

Once again allowing small things to get into big ones by being afraid of warning benches, issuing technical fouls, or addressing legitimate concerns of coaches about conduct.

[ga314ref]

...the shorts of 5 white should have gotten an IF, but when 5 white started playing to the crowd, he should have gotten a T. I think I understand the entertainment value some try to put on these games, but it seems to me the officials should have shown a lot more awareness of the situation, and handled it with a stronger court presence -- which sometimes means Ts and ejections.

I'm starting to believe a lot of officials are beginning to be intimidated by the players and their "roles" as entertainers. Situations like this should be a wake-up call for all involved. These are non-professional events, and there's a privilege to being a participant in them.

And for Mr. Hohn, what exactly makes one a "gangsta"? If you can't explain it, don't call it.