Let's take a poll......

[BktBallRef]

Originally posted by rainmaker

Jeff, you haven't given him any material, and he's GOT to argue with someone!!

Juules, it all has to do with this inferiority complex Chuck has about being short. I mean you're a balding, middle-aged man and you seemed to have come to terms with it. Can you help Chuck out?

[Hawks Coach]

Cameron
You have convinced me. I have never seen this explained so well, or maybe I just never read all the arguments correctly. I now see this as an immediate T, no warning required.

It is a violation of the throw-in provision to touch the ball on the OOB side of the boundary plane in every rule that explicitly deals with this issue. The one thing that always got me was the defender being allowed to penetrate the plane after the throw. I now UNDERSTAND. This new freedom granted to the defender is not intended to allow the defender to touch the ball. Rather, it is an acknowledgement that the defender cannot possibly affect the throw-in by reaching through the plane after the ball is released. The defender does affect the throw in by reaching through before release. Advantage/disadv concept says you should call nothing for a mere boundary plane violation after the ball is released, and you must warn and then T if it happens before release.

So what is the penalty [for touching the ball on the wrong side of the plane]? Again, the ball is not really "in play" until it crosses the boundary plane. If an offensive player touches the ball, the offense loses the ball. If the defense touches it, they are delaying the game, because they are intentionally touching the ball on a throw-in before it is legal to touch it. Granting another throw-in is not an adequate remedy in this case - A gains nothing from B's violation. T them up in my book.

[Edited by Hawks Coach on Apr 28th, 2003 at 09:55 PM]

[ChuckElias]

Originally posted by JRutledge
The rule states clearly that all restrictions end when the ball is released.

Uh, which rule is that, exactly? If it were that obvious, we wouldn't have four pages on this topic -- again. Care to give me a rule citation?

Didn't think so. . .

[ChuckElias]

Originally posted by Chuck
If I had to guess, the reason for allowing him to cross the plane is so that if his momentum carries him across the line after the release of the ball, the official is not required to interrupt the play to issue a warning.

Originally posted by Camron Rust
The reason that breaking the plan is permitted after the release is that any possible infraction will not matter since the thrower has released the ball.

Camron, thanks for explaining it better than I could. Slowly, but surely, we are making converts.

[rainmaker]

Originally posted by BktBallRef
Juules, it all has to do with this inferiority complex Chuck has about being short. I mean you're a balding, middle-aged man and you seemed to have come to terms with it. Can you help Chuck out?

After mick comes to terms with his weird dreams about lack of authority, I'll have an empty slot. This time of year, the whole field of Whistle Psychology gets really crowded!