3 man for sophomore?

[csb1971]

None of our sub varsity games use 3 man crews. In fact, thanks to budget cuts, many of the varsity level games are going back to 2 man. Makes things pretty difficult.

[JRutledge]

It is already done in certain parts of our state. It could happen if people value the "safety" and the future of officiating and not just the money.

Peace

[amusedofficial]

Not a big fan of school systems spending money on three officials. Better than they spend the money on reducing participation fees. The mission of the schools is to get as many kids playing as possible, not to cater to the whims of officials associations.

Is there any objective data on what three-whistle means to your average high school game? I don't mean anecdotes, but has anyone compared number of calls made, or looked at a significant number of tapes and figured out objectively whether there is a statistically significant improvement in how well a game is officiated.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by amusedofficial

Not a big fan of school systems spending money on three officials. Better than they spend the money on reducing participation fees. The mission of the schools is to get as many kids playing as possible, not to cater to the whims of officials associations.

Is there any objective data on what three-whistle means to your average high school game? I don't mean anecdotes, but has anyone compared number of calls made, or looked at a significant number of tapes and figured out objectively whether there is a statistically significant improvement in how well a game is officiated.

No, the mission of the schools is to educate the kids safely.

[biggravy]

When I was calling games in northeast Arkansas, we worked Jr. High/ HS V splits. Monday/Thursday were girls, Tues/Friday were boys. We worked ALL those 3 man. That was 2002ish.

Now, in Kansas we do GV/BV doubles. All 2 man. It sucks.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by amusedofficial

Not a big fan of school systems spending money on three officials. Better than they spend the money on reducing participation fees. The mission of the schools is to get as many kids playing as possible, not to cater to the whims of officials associations.

#1, do you really think that's the mission of schools?
#2, we don't have participation fees here.

Is there any objective data on what three-whistle means to your average high school game? I don't mean anecdotes, but has anyone compared number of calls made, or looked at a significant number of tapes and figured out objectively whether there is a statistically significant improvement in how well a game is officiated.

If you have to ask, then there's no point in even posting the information. You wouldn't believe it anyway.

[grunewar]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

#2, we don't have participation fees here.

$100/ sport here.

[stiffler3492]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

It is already done in certain parts of our state. It could happen if people value the "safety" and the future of officiating and not just the money.

Peace

Really? Where, Jeff?

[Freddy]

Mid-size schools experimented with two-man F/JV doubleheaders last year and didn't like what they did with that money-saving venture. They went back to three-man crews for those games. Athletic directors apparently persuaded the administrations to do so, with a prime intent to provide three-man training for future varsity officials. Smallest class schools did two-man last year also, but went back to three-man last year, largely due to the disinterest of larger schools to schedule games with them when they'd only have two-man crews at their home sites.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by stiffler3492

Really? Where, Jeff?

Outside of the Chicago area. There is a whole new world if you leave that area.

It is not every school or even most, but many schools/conferences/associations use 3 Person for lower level games so that they can train official to the system and get their players and coaches that use 3 Person.

Peace

[RookieDude]

Here, on the southeast side of Washington State...we do 3 whistle for ALL Boys H.S. games...to include Freshman games.

Not sure what the Girls side does...I am only a member of our local Boys Association.

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by RookieDude

Here, on the southeast side of Washington State...we do 3 whistle for ALL Boys H.S. games...to include Freshman games.

Not sure what the Girls side does...I am only a member of our local Boys Association.

Girls side is the same, unless there are not enough officials to cover then it's 2-person crews for subvarsity.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by RookieDude

Here, on the southeast side of Washington State...we do 3 whistle for ALL Boys H.S. games...to include Freshman games.

Not sure what the Girls side does...I am only a member of our local Boys Association.

It would be interesting if the schools are able to use two for girls without dealing with Title IX complaints.

[Welpe]

It'd be nice if we could find a way to start using three whistle in JV as a training ground but I don't see schools ponying up the extra fee. Besides, the way the UIL constitution is currently written, I don't think we could negotiate a slightly lower fee per official to add a third.

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

It would be interesting if the schools are able to use two for girls without dealing with Title IX complaints.

Since we've gone 3 person, I've seen a 2-person sub-varsity Girls' game only once or twice.