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[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Rufus

Rut - While I agree with you that they're going to question our judgment regardless why give them yet another reason to question that judgment? What fans/coaches/players think of your judgment is not in our control. Not giving them further, and in this case actual, ammo to question our judgment is in our control. Why even introduce it as a possibility when it's easily avoided?

I guess Rufus I should never work at a all-Black school against an non-Black school as I would give them another reason to say I was bias right? I say that accusation is made often where I live and where I live means nothing as all the folks who want to claim something, claim the racial mix of the crew had something to do with our calls. Or that you are not from the inner city. Or that you are not from the suburbs. Or you went to a private school and played in that conference with a team you might not have ever liked. Fans are irrational as well as coaches. I am not saying we should willingly do this all the time and should avoid these situations as much as possible. I would not work a game where a family member attends or works at any varsity level. But if it was a freshman game, I just might under the right circumstances.

My football crew chief will not work at a school where the head coach and he played D1 college football together. They are good friends and every time the coach sees my crew chief, he gives him a big hug because they know each other well. This happened once in a playoff game so he has decided to mark off that school anytime they are in the playoffs. That is why I say this is really a personal decision and based on the teams in your area and the dynamics. This cannot be applied across the board as where I started officiating there were not many schools to avoid. But where I live now, I might not see the same team 5 years apart under the right circumstances.

Peace

[kwatson]

I actually have worked games that my daughter played in (middle school). The only issue that came up with this was the family getting upset cause I called her for travelling and a couple fouls. This of course was in the middle of nowhere in Montana where you didnt have to be a certified official for middle school.

[Rufus]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I guess Rufus I should never work at a all-Black school against an non-Black school as I would give them another reason to say I was bias right? I say that accusation is made often where I live and where I live means nothing as all the folks who want to claim something, claim the racial mix of the crew had something to do with our calls. Or that you are not from the inner city. Or that you are not from the suburbs. Or you went to a private school and played in that conference with a team you might not have ever liked. Fans are irrational as well as coaches. I am not saying we should willingly do this all the time and should avoid these situations as much as possible. I would not work a game where a family member attends or works at any varsity level. But if it was a freshman game, I just might under the right circumstances.

I hear what you're saying, but it's a bit of a straw-man argument. The OP asked about relatives at the schools regardless of the level called. I would avoid calling for those schools is all I'm saying.

As to your other points I agree you can get nuts with the exclusions and why I limit school scratches to those that involve family members.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Rufus

I hear what you're saying, but it's a bit of a straw-man argument. The OP asked about relatives at the schools regardless of the level called. I would avoid calling for those schools is all I'm saying.

As to your other points I agree you can get nuts with the exclusions and why I limit school scratches to those that involve family members.

All I really am saying is "it depends." You cannot allow fans to dictate everything we do. If the assignor has a policy then I am OK with that. But if their kid is not playing on the team, then that is another consideration. And if none of this is varsity, I say who really cares.

Peace

[Altor]

Originally Posted by Rufus

I've blocked out my kids' MS before and added their HS this year now that the oldest is attending (none of them play basketball for their schools). It's a no-brainer for me simply because you don't even want to give a hint of impropriety or give anyone an excuse to question your judgment/ethics.

There are guys in my association who teach and block out their own school plus the school those kids will attend later. Extreme? Maybe, but it's one less thing to worry about.

I could see where this is a good idea, not to protect myself from the appearance of impropriety, but to protect my kids. If I worked a more visible sport such as basketball or football, I'd consider doing this just to keep my children from being put in the middle.

While I'm professional enough to keep my officiating decisions separate from the rest of my life, I can't guarantee that the coaches, teachers, and especially other students can do the same.

[deecee]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

I think you've misunderstood the entire point. I don't think very many officials think they could not be professional and work a game for a school to which they have a reason to have allegiance to - I think most believe they could be unbiased and could, in all likelihood, do exactly that.

The issue is PERCEPTION. Someone there at the game is likely to know who you are, and that you have the possible allegiance. You could work the perfect game, missing no calls - but still have several close "judgments" to make ... and if ANY of those went toward the school you have the perceived bias toward (even if every call is dead right), the PERCEPTION will be that you (and the assigning organization) cheated their team.

I don't give a rats a$$ about perception. People will perceive whatever the hell they want to. Facts and reality are all that I care about. If we don't care about what fans, coaches, the world think about our calls during a game. Why the heck do we all of a sudden start caring after the fact.

Just do your job. People will perceive and think whatever they want to. It's out of your control.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Altor

I could see where this is a good idea, not to protect myself from the appearance of impropriety, but to protect my kids. If I worked a more visible sport such as basketball or football, I'd consider doing this just to keep my children from being put in the middle.

Excellent point.....one I've thought of in the past but was not currently on my mind.

You make a big call (correct or not) that causes your kid's school to lose. Other kids are going to know who ref is and who your child is. It only takes one knucklehead to cause your child trouble that they don't deserve. I wouldn't want my kid to be faced with that situation.

[APG]

Originally Posted by deecee

I don't give a rats a$$ about perception. People will perceive whatever the hell they want to. Facts and reality are all that I care about. If we don't care about what fans, coaches, the world think about our calls during a game. Why the heck do we all of a sudden start caring after the fact.

Just do your job. People will perceive and think whatever they want to. It's out of your control.

We've all heard that perception is reality. It's the reason we try not to appear overly buddy buddy with one coach over the other...cause the perception can come across as if you're favoring that coach if a tight call goes in his favor even if that had nothing to do with it. Perception does matter in this work of ours.

I think this whole issue comes down to what one is personally comfortable working and especially your assignor is comfortable with it.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

All I really am saying is "it depends." You cannot allow fans to dictate everything we do. If the assignor has a policy then I am OK with that. But if their kid is not playing on the team, then that is another consideration. And if none of this is varsity, I say who really cares.

Peace

I couldn't agree more.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Sometimes even allowing the appearance of possible conflict is considered unprofessional.

Officials recognize that anything which may lead to a conflict of interest either real or
apparent must be avoided. Gifts, favors, special treatment, privileges, employment or personal
relationship with a school or team which can compromise the perceived impartiality of officiating must be
avoided.