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Adam Tue Nov 01, 2011 12:50am

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Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer (Post 796738)
We'll just have to agree to disagree.

I'm feeling verklempt. Discuss amongst yourselves. Topic: Middle School scoreboards and dress codes, and how they affect the backcourt substitution rules.

Lukester Tue Nov 01, 2011 11:22am

One BIG question though:
 
"Who's got shooter?"...

klacc Tue Nov 01, 2011 11:58am

I think it is fine. Officials tend do think that they have more authority then they actually do.

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Tue Nov 01, 2011 07:41pm

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Originally Posted by klacc (Post 796828)
I think it is fine. Officials tend do think that they have more authority then they actually do.


klacc:

"What" do you think is fine? And, please go into detail as to how officials "think that they have more authority then they actually do"? Camron and I would love to know.

MTD, Sr.

kyref10 Wed Nov 02, 2011 07:35am

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Originally Posted by Lukester (Post 796818)
"Who's got shooter?"...

Which someone usually confirms they do. So after the first free throw I will step in and say "Number 14" has the shooter so we don't need to keep asking. ;)

Adam Wed Nov 02, 2011 11:28am

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Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. (Post 796918)
klacc:

"What" do you think is fine? And, please go into detail as to how officials "think that they have more authority then they actually do"? Camron and I would love to know.

MTD, Sr.

I'm with you on this one. While I can't envision the wiggling fingers actually consituting diconcertion, I suppose it's possible. But klacc's statement here seems like he heard it from a guy who also likes to say officials should be invisible during the game.

MD Longhorn Wed Nov 02, 2011 12:36pm

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Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 796643)
Why are the defenders doing it? They're doing it with the hope that it will cause the shooter to be distracted and miss. It may not be effective very often, but that is their intent. Since the ONLY reason for them to do it is to disconcert the shooter, why allow it?

+1. Exactly.

Zoochy Wed Nov 02, 2011 06:50pm

Squeaky Shoes
 
As I have mentioned in the past, I had a player, in different games, behind the shooter and in the space next to the shooter squeak their shoes. Here is the kicker. One time the shooter stopped and looked at the squeaker. (disconcerting?). I held out my hand and called a violation when the free throw was missed. I did not have the time to quietly warn the squeaker.
What about the Coach or Bench personnel yelling during the free throw? I had a Coach yell "Get the Rebound" and it was the 1st of 2 throws.:eek:
I try to inform the players. " Hands up or down. No movement or talking when the player has the ball."

nrose24 Wed Nov 09, 2011 11:59am

I saw a few comments about if it was legal for the hands to be out, i.e. not vertical, and questioning if it was in the rule book. I have looked and cannot find it either. When I brought it up at an association meeting last night, EVERYONE there said it was not legal, but nobody could tell me where it was in the rule book.

So, I would like to know if anyone on here can point out in the rule book where this is restricted, or if anyone actually restricts players from doing it in the game.

APG Wed Nov 09, 2011 12:07pm

You won't find it in the rule book because there's nothing in the book that restricts a player from doing this...nor requires the hands to be vertical or down.

bob jenkins Wed Nov 09, 2011 12:17pm

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Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer (Post 797699)
You won't find it in the rule book because there's nothing in the book that restricts a player from doing this...nor requires the hands to be vertical or down.

Right -- there's only the requirement that it not be judged "disconcerting."

Camron Rust Wed Nov 09, 2011 12:44pm

And that their FEET be within the 4 vertical planes that define the lane space (which is 3 feet by 3 feet) and one of them near the lane lane (whatever "near" is) until the try hits.

A lot of the confusion probably arises from officials trying to extend these restrictions to the hands/arms.

Raymond Wed Nov 09, 2011 12:54pm

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Originally Posted by nrose24 (Post 797697)
I saw a few comments about if it was legal for the hands to be out, i.e. not vertical, and questioning if it was in the rule book. I have looked and cannot find it either. When I brought it up at an association meeting last night, EVERYONE there said it was not legal, but nobody could tell me where it was in the rule book.

So, I would like to know if anyone on here can point out in the rule book where this is restricted, or if anyone actually restricts players from doing it in the game.

So your association must call a lot of free throw lane violations.

The_Rookie Wed Nov 09, 2011 03:08pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by nrose24 (Post 797697)
I saw a few comments about if it was legal for the hands to be out, i.e. not vertical, and questioning if it was in the rule book. I have looked and cannot find it either. When I brought it up at an association meeting last night, EVERYONE there said it was not legal, but nobody could tell me where it was in the rule book.

So, I would like to know if anyone on here can point out in the rule book where this is restricted, or if anyone actually restricts players from doing it in the game.

This has been my experience as well and why I asked the question. The way I was taught to handle it was tell the players the first time you see the hands and arms not vertical to tell them either hands down or straight up. Have not called any violations for this..just the verbal guidance

Adam Wed Nov 09, 2011 03:18pm

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Originally Posted by The_Rookie (Post 797727)
This has been my experience as well and why I asked the question. The way I was taught to handle it was tell the players the first time you see the hands and arms not vertical to tell them either hands down or straight up. Have not called any violations for this..just the verbal guidance

Why? What rule are they breaking?


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