Mixed Messages

[SNIPERBBB]

Originally Posted by dsqrddgd909

I will say there is an ENORMOUS difference between the mechanics for rec ball and high school ball.

No there isnt,other than having to work closer to the basket to see what the munchkins are doing to each other, unless you have to make allowances for odd placements of the scoring table or crazy rule adaptations that require some mechanics tweaking. I hear this gripe of the mechanics being an issue from the HS guys that wont do rec ball, its basically an excuse of not wanting to do it without actually saying it.(Not to mention their mechanics usually stink anyways at the HS level to begin with).

[Rich]

Originally Posted by SNIPERBBB

No there isnt,other than having to work closer to the basket to see what the munchkins are doing to each other, unless you have to make allowances for odd placements of the scoring table or crazy rule adaptations that require some mechanics tweaking. I hear this gripe of the mechanics being an issue from the HS guys that wont do rec ball, its basically an excuse of not wanting to do it without actually saying it.(Not to mention their mechanics usually stink anyways at the HS level to begin with).

It's just easier to do what I do: I simply say that I won't work rec ball. Much easier.

But the season is around the corner now. One more football game this weekend and my attention will turn to basketball and the Part I test that's been sitting on my desk for the past couple of weeks.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by SNIPERBBB

No there isnt,other than having to work closer to the basket to see what the munchkins are doing to each other, unless you have to make allowances for odd placements of the scoring table or crazy rule adaptations that require some mechanics tweaking. I hear this gripe of the mechanics being an issue from the HS guys that wont do rec ball, its basically an excuse of not wanting to do it without actually saying it.(Not to mention their mechanics usually stink anyways at the HS level to begin with).

I guess it depends on what you call rec ball, but for many no one I know really cares about it but to make an extra buck. I do not know many that rely on that to become better or do not get into bag habits for the very reason I stated above. I do not do it because it is often has no or little accountability based on who assigns it and the organizations over it. Just like during the summer I do not use NF mechanics as I already know those. I tend to do things to work on other parts of my game. I do not butter my bread with non-HS and college games, so what I do in games like AAU is up to me. Even summer HS basketball is not with the same standards.

Peace

[Rich]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I guess it depends on what you call rec ball, but for many no one I know really cares about it but to make an extra buck. I do not know many that rely on that to become better or do not get into bag habits for the very reason I stated above. I do not do it because it is often has no or little accountability based on who assigns it and the organizations over it. Just like during the summer I do not use NF mechanics as I already know those. I tend to do things to work on other parts of my game. I do not butter my bread with non-HS and college games, so what I do in games like AAU is up to me. Even summer HS basketball is not with the same standards.

Peace

I know that when I'm hired to work 4-5 games in a row (I may do it once or twice every few years, usually as a favor or for some extra running) I usually work with a friend and we pre-determine how we're going to work. Mechanics? That's up to us. What I do that day isn't going to change what I do when I work a HS game in November.

[dsqrddgd909]

Originally Posted by SNIPERBBB

No there isnt,other than having to work closer to the basket to see what the munchkins are doing to each other, unless you have to make allowances for odd placements of the scoring table or crazy rule adaptations that require some mechanics tweaking. I hear this gripe of the mechanics being an issue from the HS guys that wont do rec ball, its basically an excuse of not wanting to do it without actually saying it.(Not to mention their mechanics usually stink anyways at the HS level to begin with).

Allow me to clarify. Having worked LOTS of rec ball in my first two years, I saw many instances of no switching, reporting from the endline, telegraphing reporting, not chopping the clock (because there was always a running clock until the last two minutes of the half), no visible counts on 10 seconds or five seconds. Perhaps the mechanics weren't different, but from a new official's point of view, rec ball and high school ball were two different animals. I was warned a number of times by well respected clinicians that rec ball is fine, but to be careful that rec ball habits do not creep into calling high school.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by dsqrddgd909

Allow me to clarify. Having worked LOTS of rec ball in my first two years, I saw many instances of no switching, reporting from the endline, telegraphing reporting, not chopping the clock (because there was always a running clock until the last two minutes of the half), no visible counts on 10 seconds or five seconds. Perhaps the mechanics weren't different, but from a new official's point of view, rec ball and high school ball were two different animals. I was warned a number of times by well respected clinicians that rec ball is fine, but to be careful that rec ball habits do not creep into calling high school.

I'd agree with this -- the "official" mechanics aren't different, but the practical ones are. That said, if I am working (and I rarely worc "rec ball") with a new official who wants to learn / practice the "right way" I will work the right mechanics.