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Old Thu Oct 20, 2011, 05:48pm
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New Mechanic? Da Chop

Heard thru grapevine that a new mechanic is being implemented. When the lead inbounds the ball from base line, the Trail is to mirror his clock chop.

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Old Thu Oct 20, 2011, 05:56pm
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When the lead inbounds the ball, and the ball is staying in the frontcourt, the T should mirror the L's chop. Don't lose sight of your primary as T though. Even if your chop is a split second late, at least the clock operator can see a chop
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Old Thu Oct 20, 2011, 06:03pm
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Heard thru grapevine that a new mechanic is being implemented. When the lead inbounds the ball from base line, the Trail is to mirror his clock chop.

Shed some light please...Thanks!
New for 2-man?
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Old Thu Oct 20, 2011, 07:04pm
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Heard thru grapevine that a new mechanic is being implemented. When the lead inbounds the ball from base line, the Trail is to mirror his clock chop.

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In 2 man, a new mechanic is being implemented.

When the lead inbounds the ball from base line, the Trail is to mirror his clock chop.
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Old Thu Oct 20, 2011, 07:20pm
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I used to do a lot of two-man. So, when the directive came out a few yrs back, I started doing it this way during two-man anyway for good practice and to ensure I wouldn't forget for three-man.
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Old Thu Oct 20, 2011, 08:40pm
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Just curious - with both sets of eyes watching the ball on the throw-in, who watches off-ball?

Is it really THAT much of a problem where the timer cannot see the L chop in time?
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Old Thu Oct 20, 2011, 08:54pm
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Just curious - with both sets of eyes watching the ball on the throw-in, who watches off-ball?
You sound like our state supervisor, who abhors this mechanic and will not let us do it in 3 man. Stay wide, watch the whole play and I don't see it as a problem.

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Is it really THAT much of a problem where the timer cannot see the L chop in time?
It can be, when the L is opposite in the far corner on the end line.
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Old Fri Oct 21, 2011, 09:12am
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You sound like our state supervisor, who abhors this mechanic and will not let us do it in 3 man.
Sounds like a smart guy.

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It can be, when the L is opposite in the far corner on the end line.
But hasn't that always been the case? How did timers handle this before the mechanic change?

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You can still watch off ball and chop in at trail...you don't have to be staring at the ball. Been doing this in 2-man for awhile, and it's been no issue.
I understand that, and I believe most good officials can handle it that way. But I have 2 problems - I believe less experienced officials will be more inclined to ball-watch, and it still won't help start the clock correctly if the L isn't being seen. How does the T see the tip on the inbounds pass if they aren't watching either the ball or the L directly?

I believe most timers watch the ball and start the clock when they see it inbounds, and don't watch the chop from the administering official, no matter where the ball is inbounded. I've also seen many delays between the chops of the L and T, so I know they aren't always seeing the same thing.

In 3-person, the C can still handle a lot of the off-ball activity, but the T has more responsibility in 2-person. It just seems like an unnecessary mechanic that may promote more bad habits than problems it corrects. JMHO.
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Just curious - with both sets of eyes watching the ball on the throw-in, who watches off-ball?

Is it really THAT much of a problem where the timer cannot see the L chop in time?
You can still watch off ball and chop in at trail...you don't have to be staring at the ball. Been doing this in 2-man for awhile, and it's been no issue.
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you can still watch off ball and chop in at trail....you don't have to be staring at the ball. Been doing this in 2-man for awhile, and it's been no issue.
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Old Fri Oct 21, 2011, 08:37am
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You can still watch off ball and chop in at trail...you don't have to be staring at the ball. Been doing this in 2-man for awhile, and it's been no issue.
As APG said, it's quite possible and is not new for those of us in Texas.
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Old Fri Oct 21, 2011, 08:48am
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Many timers don't watch for a chop at all.
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Old Fri Oct 21, 2011, 01:04am
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Just curious - with both sets of eyes watching the ball on the throw-in, who watches off-ball?

Is it really THAT much of a problem where the timer cannot see the L chop in time?
There are situations where the timer is unable to see the chop due to either a coach in the way or players in the way.

It also depends on where the table is located on how easy it is to see everything needed to be seen.
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Old Fri Oct 21, 2011, 07:05am
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Just curious - with both sets of eyes watching the ball on the throw-in, who watches off-ball?

Is it really THAT much of a problem where the timer cannot see the L chop in time?
Yes, in many of the gyms I worked the timer had a difficult time seeing the chop by the L.
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Old Fri Oct 21, 2011, 01:23pm
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Just curious - with both sets of eyes watching the ball on the throw-in, who watches off-ball?

Is it really THAT much of a problem where the timer cannot see the L chop in time?
This is the new NFHS mechanic. IAABO has not adopted it, precisely for this reason.
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