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BillyMac Sun Oct 23, 2011 11:40am

Closure ...
 
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Originally Posted by grunewar (Post 795429)
Could it have been this year's NFHS Preseason Guide, page 3? "When verbalizing a two-digit number, say the full number, not the two parts. For example, a foul on number 24 should be said, "Blue twenty-four," not Blue, two-four."

Well that should certainly end this discussion for all those who follow NFHS mechanics. It should also, at least for those following NFHS mechanics, end the long history of debates we've had on this Forum over the years on this specific topic. May it rest in peace.

Now if we could only get the same closure for the few of us that follow IAABO mechanics? The manual says, "number", not numeral, yet the international interpreter allows officials that he observes to use numerals.

Man, I really hate it that we switched from NFHS mechanics to IAABO mechanics a few years ago.

26 Year Gap Sun Oct 23, 2011 02:52pm

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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 795346)
IAABO manual? My IAABO manual just says to "state the color and number". Now, technically, you may be correct, three two is not a number, just two numerals, whereas thirty-two is an actual number. But is it the intent of IAABO to demand that we state an actual number, or do they leave it up to the individual boards?

I would love to get an interpretation of this "mechanic" from Peter Webb, the IAABO "international" interpreter. Last season he observed all the state finals, boys, and girls, eight games, here in Connecticut, where three two is the "law of the land". He had a lot of constructive criticism for our guys: calling outside of primary coverage areas, passing on free throw violations, hit and run reporting of fouls, not using the stop clock signal, and not visibly showing all counts that need to be visible, but he didn't mention our guys reporting the numbers incorrectly.

Our interpreter was on the NFHS rules committee for 4 years. I would say that would be a good way to go. I went to an IAABO camp in 2007. CT guys I worked with got dinged for pointing to the floor on a 2 that was near the arc. And Peter Webb didn't want any talking guys out of the lane, either. "Thirty-two" is a number. "Three. Two." is two numbers. But, do what you are told. Just don't assume it is that law of the land. Even in IAABOLand.

26 Year Gap Sun Oct 23, 2011 02:57pm

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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 795434)
Well that should certainly end this discussion for all those who follow NFHS mechanics. It should also, at least for those following NFHS mechanics, end the long history of debates we've had on this Forum over the years on this specific topic. May it rest in peace.

Now if we could only get the same closure for the few of us that follow IAABO mechanics? The manual says, "number", not numeral, yet the international interpreter allows officials that he observes to use numerals.

Man, I really hate it that we switched from NFHS mechanics to IAABO mechanics a few years ago.

Check out some of the Maine IAABO board websites. There is often commentary directly from Peter Webb on a lot of these matters. Central Maine & Eastern Maine are most likely to have this info out of the 5 boards.

BillyMac Sun Oct 23, 2011 03:48pm

I Can See Massachusetts From My Backyard ...
 
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Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap (Post 795453)
I went to an IAABO camp in 2007. CT guys I worked with got dinged for pointing to the floor on a 2 that was near the arc.

Yeah. It's not an "approved" IAABO signal. It's a "Connecticut Only" signal. Been that way for many years. I guess that we're all mavericks here in the Constitution State.

Nevadaref Wed Oct 26, 2011 03:57am

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Originally Posted by Texas Aggie (Post 795342)
3-2. If you say, "thirty-two", what do you say for 14? "Four-teen?" To me, that would cause more confusion than 1-4. Also, what about 00?

Yep, "Four-teen" while showing the 1 and then the 4.

"Double-zero" while showing first one closed-fist and then doing it again.

TimTaylor Thu Oct 27, 2011 03:53pm

I use the full number when reporting - never had an issue with it.

My biggest challenge in reporting numbers is going to be switching from the volleyball version of "3" back to the basketball version......might take me part of a game.....:D:D

26 Year Gap Thu Oct 27, 2011 04:00pm

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Originally Posted by TimTaylor (Post 796197)
I use the full number when reporting - never had an issue with it.

My biggest challenge in reporting numbers is going to be switching from the volleyball version of "3" back to the basketball version......might take me part of a game.....:D:D

Stop calling 3 seconds so often, then. ;)


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