IPAD on the Bench

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by TimTaylor

We got the word from our SRI tonight - Ipads are legal on the bench as long as they're only being used to keep statistics or as electronic white board.

I'm sure that the following is what your SRI received. I can't say why this ruling is being issued by Mary Struckhoff seeing that her resignation from the NFHS became effective on Sept. 30, 2011.
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Mary Struckhoff Announces Resignation from NFHS Staff

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

Contact: Bruce Howard

INDIANAPOLIS, IN (August 5, 2011) — Mary Struckhoff, assistant director of the
National Federation of State High School Associations (NFHS) for the past 12 years, will
leave the NFHS staff, effective September 30, to pursue other interests in athletics and

officiating.
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From: Mary Struckhoff
To: XXXXXXXXXXXX
Sent: Monday, December 05, 2011
Subject: RE: iPad use on the bench
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10-2-3 definitely needs to be updated to keep up with technological advances, but a computer or iPad could be used for anything that paper could have done (stats, draw up plays, etc.). Basically, the only things they can’t be used for are electronic communication with players (speaking to them thru the device and a receiver) and video replay.
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Yes, it’s difficult for officials to “police” what the devices are being used for, but most officials and state offices assume teams/coaches are in compliance unless proven otherwise. If you want to have a state-wide prohibition against these devices, that would be up to you. But they are permitted, with a few restrictions, by rule.
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Hope that helps.
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Mary

[constable]

Here is the interpretation from IAABO

INTERPRETATION / CLARIFICATION FROM IAABO
IAABO Executive Director Tom Lopes has confirmed that the use of an "I-Pad is not permissible."
This falls under rule 10, section 1, article 3 - "A team shall not use television monitoring or replay equipment or computers (other than for statistics) for coaching purposes during the game or any intermission..."

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by constable

Here is the interpretation from IAABO

INTERPRETATION / CLARIFICATION FROM IAABO
IAABO Executive Director Tom Lopes has confirmed that the use of an "I-Pad is not permissible."
This falls under rule 10, section 1, article 3 - "A team shall not use television monitoring or replay equipment or computers (other than for statistics) for coaching purposes during the game or any intermission..."

What is IAABO's authority?

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

What is IAABO's authority?

That organization has Boards all over the country. It is a national group which trains and runs HS basketball officiating chapters. If a particular group is affiliated with IAABO, then it should follow what its leadership says.

IAABO Home Page


The problem with the different rulings issued by Mary Struckhoff and Tom Lopes is that one of them made a decision based upon what the text of the rule actually says and the other didn't.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

That organization has Boards all over the country. It is a national group which trains and runs HS basketball officiating chapters. If a particular group is affiliated with IAABO, then it should follow what its leadership says.

IAABO Home Page


The problem with the different rulings issued by Mary Struckhoff and Tom Lopes is that one of them made a decision based upon what the text of the rule actually says and the other didn't.

And yet the other problem is that some local boards in Ontario "are an IAABO" chapter, and others aren't.

So when there are differing rules with teams from conflicting regions, it needs to be clarified if Fed or IAABO interps are being used. This isn't done, so then it becomes a provincial issue (as a whole).

I don't recall hearing news that "we play Fed with these IAABO exceptions".

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

That organization has Boards all over the country. It is a national group which trains and runs HS basketball officiating chapters. If a particular group is affiliated with IAABO, then it should follow what its leadership says.

IAABO Home Page


The problem with the different rulings issued by Mary Struckhoff and Tom Lopes is that one of them made a decision based upon what the text of the rule actually says and the other didn't.

I've seen plenty of iPads on benches this season and, well, I couldn't possibly care. I have much bigger fish to fry, like the colors of headbands and pre wrap and whether undershirts are illegal.

[constable]

Originally Posted by constable

Here is the interpretation from IAABO

INTERPRETATION / CLARIFICATION FROM IAABO
IAABO Executive Director Tom Lopes has confirmed that the use of an "I-Pad is not permissible."
This falls under rule 10, section 1, article 3 - "A team shall not use television monitoring or replay equipment or computers (other than for statistics) for coaching purposes during the game or any intermission..."

Had to enforce the IAABO interpretation for the first time today. HC asked "even for stats"

my response " yep"

[Adam]

Colorado has gone a step further, all electronic devices are banned from the sideline/bench.

[Welpe]

I had a MS game a few weeks ago where somebody on the bench was recording the game with an iPad. I reminded the coach she could not review the video during the game or at half-time but there's not much of a way to enforce that. I'll probably bounce that up to my chapter leadership to see what they say about it.

[WhistlesAndStripes]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

I'm sure that the following is what your SRI received. I can't say why this ruling is being issued by Mary Struckhoff seeing that her resignation from the NFHS became effective on Sept. 30, 2011.
================================================== =====

Mary Struckhoff Announces Resignation from NFHS Staff

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

Contact: Bruce Howard

INDIANAPOLIS, IN (August 5, 2011) — Mary Struckhoff, assistant director of the
National Federation of State High School Associations (NFHS) for the past 12 years, will
leave the NFHS staff, effective September 30, to pursue other interests in athletics and

officiating.
================================================== ==============


From: Mary Struckhoff
To: XXXXXXXXXXXX
Sent: Monday, December 05, 2011
Subject: RE: iPad use on the bench
*
10-2-3 definitely needs to be updated to keep up with technological advances, but a computer or iPad could be used for anything that paper could have done (stats, draw up plays, etc.). Basically, the only things they can’t be used for are electronic communication with players (speaking to them thru the device and a receiver) and video replay.
*
Yes, it’s difficult for officials to “police” what the devices are being used for, but most officials and state offices assume teams/coaches are in compliance unless proven otherwise. If you want to have a state-wide prohibition against these devices, that would be up to you. But they are permitted, with a few restrictions, by rule.
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Hope that helps.
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Mary

Looks like someone made a [email protected] account, or something similar, and duped their state office. Nice.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Whistles & Stripes

Looks like someone made a [email protected] account, or something similar, and duped their state office. Nice.

That is not what happened here.

[WhistlesAndStripes]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

That is not what happened here.

Did the message come from Mary? And if so, what authority does she have issuing these things after she has resigned?

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Unless you're advocating a change to permit greater use of computers, every device out there is covered by the rule and every device on the horizon is also covered by the rule and is prohibited. A "computer" doesn't just mean a desktop or a laptop computer. Your smartphone is a computer too. A tablet is a computer. An iTouch is a computer. They're all just very small computers. They're all prohibited unless used for statistics only.

"transmission device" pretty much covers about anything that could be used to send or receive information form/to anywhere.

I suppose you could argue that we can't tell whether they are being used for stats or not but no rule change will change that.

Are you saying you think they should loosen the rule to allow computers of some types?

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

I'm saying that has technology evolves, they will have to become more descriptive and address new innovations and products. They will have to make changes either by rule or by case play or interpretation. It's my opinion. If you disagree, that's fine. Time will determine if I am correct.

Wow...I guess time has proven me correct.

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

From: Mary Struckhoff

To: XXXXXXXXXXXX
Sent: Monday, December 05, 2011
Subject: RE: iPad use on the bench
*
10-2-3 definitely needs to be updated to keep up with technological advances, but a computer or iPad could be used for anything that paper could have done (stats, draw up plays, etc.). Basically, the only things they can’t be used for are electronic communication with players (speaking to them thru the device and a receiver) and video replay.
*
Yes, it’s difficult for officials to “police” what the devices are being used for, but most officials and state offices assume teams/coaches are in compliance unless proven otherwise. If you want to have a state-wide prohibition against these devices, that would be up to you. But they are permitted, with a few restrictions, by rule.
*
Hope that helps.
*

Mary

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

I'm sure that the following is what your SRI received. I can't say why this ruling is being issued by Mary Struckhoff seeing that her resignation from the NFHS became effective on Sept. 30, 2011.

I'm betting she was asked to stay on until a replacement was named. I haven't seen an announcement that anyone has been hired yet.

[Scratch85]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

I'm betting she was asked to stay on until a replacement was named. I haven't seen an announcement that anyone has been hired yet.

I believe Theresia Wynns from the IHSAA has replaced Mary Struckhoff.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by Scratch85

I believe Theresia Wynns from the IHSAA has replaced Mary Struckhoff.

Yes, found the announcement. She won't take the position until June.