IPAD on the Bench

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Judtech

I think the unintended consequence would be the video capabilities of tablet computers. On the 'good' side it could be used just like a camera to record the game. Which would make it prudent to ask the tablet user do somewhere other then the bench.
The 'bad'. After a bang bang call, the coach calls a TO (or not) and proceeds to show you the replay from their angle! Now that would be fun!

Even if the technology was allowed, this would earn him a quick seat.

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I disagree. Not all schools have the same resources to compete in that way.

You could say that about any resources.

Some schools have funds for nicer weight rooms, better equipment, better staffing (a big plus, ultimately), etc. All of these things can benefit a team. Technological items are merely among the tools one could use to improve one's work. And, by the way, these items are getting more and more affordable every year.

Whether a coach chooses to use a clipboard, pen and scratchpad, or iPad, they're all tools to meet a desired end. They'll never take the place of coaching, but, if used properly, they can indeed help improve performance. If they didn't, football coaches wouldn't have been trading game films, as they have for decades.

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Even if the technology was allowed, this would earn him a quick seat.

There it is. A disrespectful act is just that, regardless of the tools in use.

[Adam]

And they can use all the technology they want before the game. The rules have always forbidden the use of video during the game, and iPads are far more powerful than a court-side camcorder. The ability to pull up game footage during the game would be unlimited with an iPad.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by bainsey

You could say that about any resources.

Some schools have funds for nicer weight rooms, better equipment, better staffing (a big plus, ultimately), etc. All of these things can benefit a team. Technological items are merely among the tools one could use to improve one's work. And, by the way, these items are getting more and more affordable every year.

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We're talking about what's available on the bench for both teams during a game.

Not the same as what resources are available for practice, IMO.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by bainsey

You could say that about any resources.

Some schools have funds for nicer weight rooms, better equipment, better staffing (a big plus, ultimately), etc. All of these things can benefit a team. Technological items are merely among the tools one could use to improve one's work. And, by the way, these items are getting more and more affordable every year.

Whether a coach chooses to use a clipboard, pen and scratchpad, or iPad, they're all tools to meet a desired end. They'll never take the place of coaching, but, if used properly, they can indeed help improve performance. If they didn't, football coaches wouldn't have been trading game films, as they have for decades.

Football and basketball coaches already use film. But you cannot use film during the game without violating those rules in football as well. This is not about using film before and after games, but I think a coach using Ipad or some other device where they can talk to others sitting in the stands or is watching video during the game. I do not think that is what the game is about and should not be allowed. Not at the HS level where the ability to do so would be so much of an advantage. Weight rooms are not inherently an advantage as the game of basketball requires more than a weight room to be a good and players and coaches would have to do more to be a good player than lift weights. In the context of a game I would not want this promoted. It is not allowed in college either and they have resources to

Peace

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Weight rooms are not inherently an advantage as the game of basketball requires more than a weight room to be a good and players and coaches would have to do more to be a good player than lift weights.

Actually, a good fitness room, when used properly, can be a big advantage to conditioning, when use properly. Still, as been stated by others, this is about what's used during the game.

Once again, all things technological are tools, nothing more, nothing less. A coach's tool could be many things: clipboards, spiral notebooks, dry-erase board, BlackBerry, etc. It seems that some have a fear of certain tools, just because they're electronic or can shoot video.

What are we afraid of here, really? That certain schools have better resources than others? That already goes for many things, during the game. That only the rich schools can afford such tools? Again, these tools are far more affordable than before. That players/coaches can look at video right there on the bench? So what if they can? What's wrong with a little ingenuity to perform better, regardless of the task?

[Adam]

For whatever reason, that's how the committee wants it and has always wanted it. You may as well ask why a shot from 20 feet away is counted as 3 points.

[Camron Rust]

Perhaps they want the players to prepare before the game and perform during the game.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by bainsey

Actually, a good fitness room, when used properly, can be a big advantage to conditioning, when use properly. Still, as been stated by others, this is about what's used during the game.

I do not want to get into a huge debate over this, but I can get in great fitness without fancy weights or a fancy room. And considering that basketball is about size and quickness, those rooms mean little or nothing to me working on those things. I also cannot teach size. Ever heard of P90X? That program does not need a machine or fancy weights to accomplish those goals.

Originally Posted by bainsey

Once again, all things technological are tools, nothing more, nothing less. A coach's tool could be many things: clipboards, spiral notebooks, dry-erase board, BlackBerry, etc. It seems that some have a fear of certain tools, just because they're electronic or can shoot video.

No one is afraid of tools. It is just a reality that a rural or inner-city school for example that may not have adequete computers normally now could compete against a private or suburban school that has more resources and use those things. That is a completly different.

Originally Posted by bainsey

What are we afraid of here, really? That certain schools have better resources than others? That already goes for many things, during the game. That only the rich schools can afford such tools? Again, these tools are far more affordable than before. That players/coaches can look at video right there on the bench? So what if they can? What's wrong with a little ingenuity to perform better, regardless of the task?

Again you really need to stop with the hyperbole. No one said anything about being afraid. I think competition should be equal during the game and not using technology to get a clear advantage. If you can coach you can identify things without a computer. And you certainly should not have others not on the bench giving you information from some other point of the gym which is why many of these devices are outlawed. I do not think that is too much to ask.

Peace

[CoachP]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

If you can coach you can identify things without a computer. And you certainly should not have others not on the bench giving you information from some other point of the gym which is why many of these devices are outlawed. I do not think that is too much to ask.
Peace

Nailed it.

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Ever heard of P90X?

Just started last week. Damn plyometrics had me sore for days!

Originally Posted by JRutledge

It is just a reality that a rural or inner-city school for example that may not have adequete computers normally now could compete against a private or suburban school that has more resources and use those things.

Here are some more realities: We're not talking about servers here. There are far more expensive things today that teams must deal with than handheld devices. And, schools must find a way to afford PCs in order to prepare our youth for the 21st century world. Since handheld devices are affordable for all, that argument of the haves and have-nots is simply antequated. I've dealt with very rural schools, and they're certainly not without technology.

Again you really need to stop with the hyperbole. No one said anything about being afraid.

That's not hyperbole, Rut. That's truth. People fear change.

I think competition should be equal during the game and not using technology to get a clear advantage.

The competition would only be unequal if one team was allowed to use a device, and the other team wasn't. Let the coaches decide what devices they want to use to do their jobs. One team almost always has advantages over another, and that's just life. This realm should be no different.

[CoachP]

Pretty sure if there are iPad's on the bench, "the school" did not buy it for the coach.

I admit, we have a tech advantage at our school. Only one scoreboard, and it's in our frontcourt for the second half.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by bainsey

Just started last week. Damn plyometrics had me sore for days!

Then you know what the hell I am talking about.

Originally Posted by bainsey

Here are some more realities: We're not talking about servers here. There are far more expensive things today that teams must deal with than handheld devices. And, schools must find a way to afford PCs in order to prepare our youth for the 21st century world. Since handheld devices are affordable for all, that argument of the haves and have-nots is simply antequated. I've dealt with very rural schools, and they're certainly not without technology.

An IPad cost right now about $500 or more based on the hard drive (can be nearly $850 in the right places). I personally cannot afford that now based on other bills and priorities in my life, you really think schools can afford multiple of these devices and be able to pay for fixing them or replacing them for either damage or theft.

I grew up in a rural area and went to a rural school. A lot of this depends on your state and population and financial situation of the state and districts. A lot of rural schools cannot afford a lot of things and have less money for athletics. We argue over what we are paid and if schools can afford a 3rd official and now we expect schools to compete in an activity that many have considered dropping all together because of expenses and we want to allow schools to use things based on a technology advantage? You act like all schools have similar resources which if you just look at the news that is extremely clear how there are the have or have nots in education in this country.

Originally Posted by bainsey

That's not hyperbole, Rut. That's truth. People fear change.

What does that have to do with what we are talking about? The NF changes rules every year and some drastic changes. This is not about change, this is about balance in competition. You will have an in-balance if you allow some schools to use technology and many host schools would provide things for their locker room and not the visiting locker room. This would be a bad idea and why I do not see a change anytime soon. And it is not about fear. If you can coach you can do so without a video for a 10 minute period.

Originally Posted by bainsey

The competition would only be unequal if one team was allowed to use a device, and the other team wasn't. Let the coaches decide what devices they want to use to do their jobs. One team almost always has advantages over another, and that's just life. This realm should be no different.

The school that can barely buy uniforms and provide adequate other equipment will not have to buy more devices to play a simple game. It is a sport, not a test of the have and have nots.

Peace

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by bainsey

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That's not hyperbole, Rut. That's truth. People fear change.

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No, that's called an opinion.

The rulesmakers have deemed certain electronic devices create an unfair advantage or don't belong in the game.

Doesn't mean people fear anything.

That's a mighty big leap in logic.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by bainsey

Just started last week. Damn plyometrics had me sore for days!


Here are some more realities: We're not talking about servers here. There are far more expensive things today that teams must deal with than handheld devices. And, schools must find a way to afford PCs in order to prepare our youth for the 21st century world. Since handheld devices are affordable for all, that argument of the haves and have-nots is simply antequated. I've dealt with very rural schools, and they're certainly not without technology.


That's not hyperbole, Rut. That's truth. People fear change.


The competition would only be unequal if one team was allowed to use a device, and the other team wasn't. Let the coaches decide what devices they want to use to do their jobs. One team almost always has advantages over another, and that's just life. This realm should be no different.

Coaches do make the rules. Just sayin