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1) The sitch is when a defender in a marked lane space decides to move out or change position after the official has bounced the ball to the shooter but before the shooter has caught the ball.
I know what the Fed rulebook definition is. Why is it so many officials take it to mean when they start to pass the ball to the (free throw) shooter, instead of when the shooter catches the ball, as per definition?? 2) What is the proper protocol to get the official to make the right call after they boot this one? Thanks for your input.
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Mon Apr 14, 2003, 11:28am
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Ball is bounced. Player B1 decides to step back a space. A1 catches ball. B1 is mid-move, so not in a legal lane space with ball at disposal of shooter. What is your call?
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Mon Apr 14, 2003, 11:37am
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Is there a rule to back me up? No - because this is one of those times we need a casebook ruling. I think of it this way - would you grant team B a timeout if they requested it while the ball is being bounced? If you would, then don't call the lane violation. If you wouldn't, then call it. It's as good a benchmark as any.
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Mon Apr 14, 2003, 11:51am
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I'm not disagreeing with you. I'm just looking at the definition of "at disposal" at it states, "A ball is at the disposal of a player when it is: b. Caught by a player after it is bounced to him/her.
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Mon Apr 14, 2003, 12:12pm
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My take is this:
If you bounce the ball having not noticed that B didn't occupy lower black, A1 catches the ball, you now have a violation on B, regardless of the fact that you could have prevented it by not giving the ball to A1. If you bounce the ball to A1 while B1 has her foot on the lane space divider, you have a violation on B1 as soon as A1 has the ball and B1 is out of postion. If those situations can result in violations, it seems to me that B1 moving after being in a space, and not being in a legal space when when the ball is caught, should also result in a violation.
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Mon Apr 14, 2003, 12:19pm
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Mon Apr 14, 2003, 12:21pm
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Mon Apr 14, 2003, 12:25pm
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Double Lane Violation....
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Mon Apr 14, 2003, 12:53pm
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Mick
I am referring to the "oops I didn't notice your foot on the line until the shooter had the ball" scenario, not suggesting that you would see the foot on the line and do a quick bounce and gotcha.
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Mon Apr 14, 2003, 01:03pm
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I am under the basket or the front of the rim when when I make that bounce. Once my partner tells me the number of throws, I check the table, I check the lane, I give the players the finger(s), and I make the bounce. If I see a player twitch, I ask, "Do you wanna move?" The 95% answer is, "Uh..., no I'm okay." mick
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Mon Apr 14, 2003, 01:28pm
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Okay, Mick
I didn't mean you!
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Mon Apr 14, 2003, 01:36pm
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He's really Mick Artest, the finger waving ref
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Mon Apr 14, 2003, 01:44pm
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Oh, I get it.
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As you know, we officials do not have to practice preventive officiating, nor are we responsible for making rule recitations to players on the free throw lane. Thus, if the player's foot is on the line, we may, by rule, go with the delayed dead ball or the immediate dead ball, or we may employ the "Tower Philosophy" and judge whether, or not, the spirit and intent of the rule has been violated, given the level and intensity of the game being played. Sorry about the delay in actually answering you question. I'm just a big "Duh!"  mick (Old and not cold, the 70 degrees is getting to me. )
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