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chseagle Wed Oct 12, 2011 08:47pm

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 793182)
Seriously? Your example is a major university in a BCS conference replacing a 20 year old scoreboard? Seriously?

I could of used the example of the school I assist at, however I do not know the exact cost of the new scoreboards installed.

That Guy Wed Oct 12, 2011 09:17pm

"Could have"

Raymond Thu Oct 13, 2011 08:04am

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Originally Posted by chseagle (Post 793145)
Been reading through the handbook some more, specifically the history of rules, and noticed several that used to be in effect that have been either disallowed or changed.

One of those that changed was that when subs reported to the table, that they have to report their number as well as the number they are replacing. However that rule got overturned. Thinking to the newer scoreboards out there that require player numbers, should that rule of been reversed?

What other old rules do you feel need to be reinstated?

Well, first of all this rule doesn't need to be re-instated.

Secondly, it is not a requirement for a sub to go in for a certain player. Coach could change his/her mind while the sub is walking on to the floor. Or the sub could send the wrong player out.

So, the sub rule itself would have to change in order to re-instated this unneeded rule.

bainsey Thu Oct 13, 2011 10:03am

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Originally Posted by chseagle (Post 793171)
So besides only active players requesting timeouts, what other changes to the rules from old would you like to see implemented?

For NCAA (not high school!), bring back the jump ball over the AP arrow. That's one I believe the NBA has right.

APG Thu Oct 13, 2011 10:27am

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Originally Posted by bainsey (Post 793307)
For NCAA (not high school!), bring back the jump ball over the AP arrow. That's one I believe the NBA has right.

I'd like this too...maybe just for the men's side. Even at the NCAA at WNBA level, there are that many more held ball situations (insert joke that sure to come from somebody) than at the comparable level on the men's side.

BillyMac Thu Oct 13, 2011 06:03pm

Au Contraire, Mon Frère ...
 
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Originally Posted by bainsey (Post 793307)
Bring back the jump ball over the AP arrow.

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Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer (Post 793312)
I'd like this too.

No jump balls, Ever. Not to start the game. Not to start the overtime. None. Period. Flip a coin. Guess the referee's age, or weight. Play rock, paper, scissors. Give it to the visitors. Just no jump balls. Have I made myself clear?

That Don Guy Wed Oct 19, 2011 03:45pm

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Originally Posted by chseagle (Post 793151)
How about the rule that the fouling player has to raise their hand?

And remember, that's "one" hand, and it must be lowered "properly". Automatic technical for raising both hands, or for showing any sort of anger when lowering it.

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Originally Posted by chseagle (Post 793179)
NFHS is complaining about the cost of having to add shot clocks and one additional table official, yet there are schools getting new scoreboards every 2-5 years.

True, but how many HS scoreboards are paid for by the schools themselves, as opposed to soft drink companies as part of an exclusivity deal with the school? I don't think they'll throw in shot clocks (with no room for advertising) as well. Besides, the main cost of adding a shot clock is paying the operator, which is something you were doing anyway when replacing a scoreboard.

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Wed Oct 19, 2011 08:45pm

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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 793393)
No jump balls, Ever. Not to start the game. Not to start the overtime. None. Period. Flip a coin. Guess the referee's age, or weight. Play rock, paper, scissors. Give it to the visitors. Just no jump balls. Have I made myself clear?



Billy:

We are going to have to agree to disagree. The Alternating Possession Rule is an abomination and should be sent to sleep with the fishes.

To everybody else: The other change should be to get rid of the stupid, yes I said stupid restricted area under the basket in the NCAA rules. The people who put forth this rule are people (head coaches) that do not have a clue regarding the game in which they are supposed to be teaching players to play. Just do not get me started on the rule adoption.

MTD, Sr.

APG Wed Oct 19, 2011 08:54pm

Don't worry...they got rid of it under the basket...now you got a three foot arc. ;) And I don't see that rule changing either (nor really care if it changes back) and it's a trend a lot of rule sets have decided to follow...NBA, FIBA, and NCAA now.

Welpe Wed Oct 19, 2011 09:15pm

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Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer (Post 794984)
Don't worry...they got rid of it under the basket...now you got a three foot arc. ;) And I don't see that rule changing either (nor really care if it changes back) and it's a trend a lot of rule sets have decided to follow...NBA, FIBA, and NCAA now.

Give it a couple years and the Fed will come out with some screwed version of the rule that will take 3 years to properly fix.

APG Wed Oct 19, 2011 09:21pm

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Originally Posted by Welpe (Post 794986)
Give it a couple years and the Fed will come out with some screwed version of the rule that will take 3 years to properly fix.

Maybe...if/when they are implement it, they're probably going to give states a certain amount of years before it goes into effect. Hopefully, that period of time would allow them time to iron out any kinks in the rule. Or they might go to the under the basket route that NCAA-M did without marking it...which was a joke of a rule and only lead to inconsistency.

Or NF could try to copy what NCAA does and end up mangling the wording of the rule like they've done with team control on the throw-in. :D

bowlingref Wed Oct 19, 2011 11:30pm

One thing that was done in Va was we had even numbers for our home uniforms and odd numbers for our road uniforms. My numbers were 20-21. That way all the ref had to keep up with was the number and not the color. We had to raise our hand if we commited a foul and yes we would try to get someone else to raise their hand if the fouling player was in foul trouble. A couple of the refs we had made a major deal out of it. I saw where one of them passed away the other day and my first thought was did he have to raise his hand to pass through the Perly Gates. We could not dunk either. Graduated H.S in 1970.

amusedofficial Thu Oct 20, 2011 06:12am

The no-dunk rule was added because a kid named Alcindor at Power Memorial in New York changed the way they played the game

The raise-your-hand rule was sometimes manipulated by having a player raise his hand to try to take a foul called on someone in foul trouble. It rarely worked.

Adding a shot clock does not mean buying new scoreboards. Shot clock timers can be retrofitted to the facility and are in many locations where shot clock rules were added. It can be a timer under the basket or against the gym wall or next to the scoreboard. In many schools with one scoreboard, the home team picks its bench so it will face the scoreboard, and thus the clock, during the last period, so everyone isn't getting a clear look at the time at all times anyway.

Can we bring back the hand paddles for team and player fouls? NO? OK.

BillyMac Thu Oct 20, 2011 06:30am

Oh My ...
 
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Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. (Post 794983)
We are going to have to agree to disagree. The Alternating Possession Rule is an abomination and should be sent to sleep with the fishes..

Shut up. Don't waste your time worrying about jump balls, and alternating possession. You've got bigger things to worry about, like lions, and tigers, and bears.

Raymond Thu Oct 20, 2011 07:57am

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Originally Posted by bowlingref (Post 795005)
One thing that was done in Va was we had even numbers for our home uniforms and odd numbers for our road uniforms. My numbers were 20-21. That way all the ref had to keep up with was the number and not the color. We had to raise our hand if we commited a foul and yes we would try to get someone else to raise their hand if the fouling player was in foul trouble. A couple of the refs we had made a major deal out of it. I saw where one of them passed away the other day and my first thought was did he have to raise his hand to pass through the Perly Gates. We could not dunk either. Graduated H.S in 1970.

You from the Hampton Roads area?


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