When did in-game dunking become legal?
 

While reading through the 2010-2012 Basketball Handbook, I noticed on page 13 talking about the history of the rules changes that in 1967 it was illegal to dunk during the game. When was that rule reversed as I cannot find a passage saying it is now legal?

Keep reading.

Peace

I read a bit more closely and noticed that regulation was only in effect for 9 years: 1967-1976.

Reading through some of the rules changes that have happened, there are some that, I feel, need to be re-instated.

Been reading through the handbook some more, specifically the history of rules, and noticed several that used to be in effect that have been either disallowed or changed.

One of those that changed was that when subs reported to the table, that they have to report their number as well as the number they are replacing. However that rule got overturned. Thinking to the newer scoreboards out there that require player numbers, should that rule of been reversed?

What other old rules do you feel need to be reinstated?

I'm not sure what the point would be requiring a player to tell who he's replacing. Seems like all anyone would have to do is...see the number of the person being replaced. Even with scoreboards today being able to show each player's number and stats, the only thing official on the scoreboard is the time.

Put it this way, they don't require this at the NBA level, where they would care a lot more about this kind of stuff.

Am just trying to get conversation started concerning what old rules would be good ideas to be reinstated.

Thankfully not all scoreboards show the players in the game, at the HS level.

How about the rule that the fouling player has to raise their hand?

No.

The one that said only players on the court could be granted a timeout request.

Coaches Will Give This Up When You Take It From Their Cold, Dead Hands ...
 

Bingo. Pick a prize from the top shelf.

Don't really see any need for this. What if a player didn't know he committed a foul? What if the wrong player raised their hand? If I put air in the whistle for a foul, I don't need a player to raise his hand.

Quite frankly, I think that rule is one of the stupidest ones I read, and I'm way too young to ever have played with the rule or have to officiate a game with it.

I first started playing about the time the rule disappeared, and I don't recall it really doing anything productive. I do, however, recall officials enforcing it in my Jr. High games.

So besides only active players requesting timeouts, what other changes to the rules from old would you like to see implemented?

Which timeout length is better? 20 sec. or 30 sec.?

I see that NFHS keeps discussing the idea of adopting the shot clock, however they keep dismissing due to cost issues, among other things.

20 vs. 30 second timeouts...save at most 20 seconds, so that's a none issue to me. I don't know when NF decided we needed to be the uniform police (maybe it's always been that way), but if there was a time we weren't concern about matching undershirts and all that stupid stuff, I'd vote to go back to the former way.

As far as a shot clock, I've always been one that has said the shot clock should be implemented...and mandate it in 5-10 years like they did with the white jerseys (it'd probably have to be closer to 10 years).

Concerning undershirts, there were rule adoptions in 1984 & 1996. It seems in the past 11 years is when the majority of the "Uniform Police" rules came into effect. It surprises me however that the "No jewelry" rule has been in effect since 1977, yet at least once a year it needs to be mentioned.

NFHS is complaining about the cost of having to add shot clocks and one additional table official, yet there are schools getting new scoreboards every 2-5 years. (Example: though not HS, Washington State University has just put in a new scoreboard that costs $3 million, though the scoreboards in use were installed in 1992)

Seriously? Your example is a major university in a BCS conference replacing a 20 year old scoreboard? Seriously?

I have yet to see a truly compelling argument for forcing the schools to buy, maintain, and operate extra equipment, regardless of how marginal the cost might be.

I could of used the example of the school I assist at, however I do not know the exact cost of the new scoreboards installed.

"Could have"

Well, first of all this rule doesn't need to be re-instated.

Secondly, it is not a requirement for a sub to go in for a certain player. Coach could change his/her mind while the sub is walking on to the floor. Or the sub could send the wrong player out.

So, the sub rule itself would have to change in order to re-instated this unneeded rule.

For NCAA (not high school!), bring back the jump ball over the AP arrow. That's one I believe the NBA has right.

I'd like this too...maybe just for the men's side. Even at the NCAA at WNBA level, there are that many more held ball situations (insert joke that sure to come from somebody) than at the comparable level on the men's side.

Au Contraire, Mon Frère ...
 

No jump balls, Ever. Not to start the game. Not to start the overtime. None. Period. Flip a coin. Guess the referee's age, or weight. Play rock, paper, scissors. Give it to the visitors. Just no jump balls. Have I made myself clear?

And remember, that's "one" hand, and it must be lowered "properly". Automatic technical for raising both hands, or for showing any sort of anger when lowering it.

True, but how many HS scoreboards are paid for by the schools themselves, as opposed to soft drink companies as part of an exclusivity deal with the school? I don't think they'll throw in shot clocks (with no room for advertising) as well. Besides, the main cost of adding a shot clock is paying the operator, which is something you were doing anyway when replacing a scoreboard.

Billy:

We are going to have to agree to disagree. The Alternating Possession Rule is an abomination and should be sent to sleep with the fishes.

To everybody else: The other change should be to get rid of the stupid, yes I said stupid restricted area under the basket in the NCAA rules. The people who put forth this rule are people (head coaches) that do not have a clue regarding the game in which they are supposed to be teaching players to play. Just do not get me started on the rule adoption.

MTD, Sr.

Don't worry...they got rid of it under the basket...now you got a three foot arc. ;) And I don't see that rule changing either (nor really care if it changes back) and it's a trend a lot of rule sets have decided to follow...NBA, FIBA, and NCAA now.

Give it a couple years and the Fed will come out with some screwed version of the rule that will take 3 years to properly fix.

Maybe...if/when they are implement it, they're probably going to give states a certain amount of years before it goes into effect. Hopefully, that period of time would allow them time to iron out any kinks in the rule. Or they might go to the under the basket route that NCAA-M did without marking it...which was a joke of a rule and only lead to inconsistency.

Or NF could try to copy what NCAA does and end up mangling the wording of the rule like they've done with team control on the throw-in. :D

One thing that was done in Va was we had even numbers for our home uniforms and odd numbers for our road uniforms. My numbers were 20-21. That way all the ref had to keep up with was the number and not the color. We had to raise our hand if we commited a foul and yes we would try to get someone else to raise their hand if the fouling player was in foul trouble. A couple of the refs we had made a major deal out of it. I saw where one of them passed away the other day and my first thought was did he have to raise his hand to pass through the Perly Gates. We could not dunk either. Graduated H.S in 1970.

The no-dunk rule was added because a kid named Alcindor at Power Memorial in New York changed the way they played the game

The raise-your-hand rule was sometimes manipulated by having a player raise his hand to try to take a foul called on someone in foul trouble. It rarely worked.

Adding a shot clock does not mean buying new scoreboards. Shot clock timers can be retrofitted to the facility and are in many locations where shot clock rules were added. It can be a timer under the basket or against the gym wall or next to the scoreboard. In many schools with one scoreboard, the home team picks its bench so it will face the scoreboard, and thus the clock, during the last period, so everyone isn't getting a clear look at the time at all times anyway.

Can we bring back the hand paddles for team and player fouls? NO? OK.

Oh My ...
 

Shut up. Don't waste your time worrying about jump balls, and alternating possession. You've got bigger things to worry about, like lions, and tigers, and bears.

You from the Hampton Roads area?

This ties for the dumbest thing ever posted on the internet.

I have to agree. The arc-lovers say it doesn't allow people to draw a charge under the basket. Shouldn't the existing LGP laws (specifically, when the shooter left the floor) already take this into account?

My father-in-law played against Alcindor in high school. "I guarded his kneecaps," he recalls.

I'd T you up for that one, Billy, but I'm confused which character you just called Mark.

No....a player with LGP is still tagged with a block if they are a secondary defender in the restricted area....even if they were in position 10 steps before the shooter left the floor.

It is largely a product of officials not calling charges in the past in that area which led to more offensive attacks at the basket even though defenders were there. Then it became a "safety" issue for the shooters.....albeit one that the shooters were fully in control of. If people had only called the charges when they were there, we'd never have ended up in this position.

I think it it was a reference to the menagerie that was let loose near Zanesville, OH. Fortunately for Mark, Zanesville is closer to Pittsburgh than Toledo.

We're Off To See Mark T. DeNucci, Sr., The Wonderful Wizard Of Ohio ...
 

OH MY!!! :eek:

MTD, Sr.

Zanesville, Ohio is located in SE Ohio, on I-70, just west of I-77.

And my dear mother, a KU graduate, grew up in tornado alley in eastern Kansas.

MTD, Sr.