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stiffler3492 Thu Oct 06, 2011 06:55pm

Backcourt?
 
Team A has the ball in the frontcourt for a throw in. A1 throws it to A2, but A2 can't handle the pass, and the ball goes into the backcourt. A2 is the first to touch the ball in the backcourt.

Keeping the rule change in mind, what do ya got?

BillyMac Thu Oct 06, 2011 07:09pm

Team Control ???
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by stiffler3492 (Post 791935)
Team A has the ball in the frontcourt for a throw in. A1 throws it to A2, but A2 can't handle the pass, and the ball goes into the backcourt. A2 is the first to touch the ball in the backcourt.
Keeping the rule change in mind, what do ya got?

Nothing. Supposedly, the new rule change won't effect plays like this, but I understand that the wording in the rules doesn't support this "Supposedly".

APG Thu Oct 06, 2011 07:55pm

No violation

JRutledge Thu Oct 06, 2011 07:57pm

This is one of these cases where the "Intent and Purpose" of the rule applies. The wording does not appear to be very clear, but it is clear that the rule was changed to not shoot FTs on fouls when the ball is being thrown in. As Billy said I do not think this changed, but it is hard to tell sometimes with some of the wording.

Peace

Raymond Thu Oct 06, 2011 08:31pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by stiffler3492 (Post 791935)
Team A has the ball in the frontcourt for a throw in. A1 throws it to A2, but A2 can't handle the pass, and the ball goes into the backcourt. A2 is the first to touch the ball in the backcourt.

Keeping the rule change in mind, what do ya got?

NCAA already had the TC throw-in rule in place and it was not a violation due to throw-in exceptions.

just another ref Fri Oct 07, 2011 12:01am

The OP is not a violation because there was no player control in the frontcourt.

Nevadaref Fri Oct 07, 2011 05:38am

The wording of the new rule requires both team AND PLAYER control in the frontcourt. Since there was no player control established in the frontcourt, there cannot be a backcourt violation.

stiffler3492 Fri Oct 07, 2011 08:11am

Thanks. That's the way I called it, but I wanted to double check with the new rule

Raymond Fri Oct 07, 2011 08:32am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 791997)
The wording of the new rule requires both team AND PLAYER control in the frontcourt. Since there was no player control established in the frontcourt, there cannot be a backcourt violation.

Which "new rule" are we talking about?

I know the OP is not a BC violaton but I'm wondering as to what new rule you are referring.

bob jenkins Fri Oct 07, 2011 08:46am

Quote:

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 792021)
Which "new rule" are we talking about?

I know the OP is not a BC violaton but I'm wondering as to what new rule you are referring.

The new "TC on a throw-in" rule -- it's led to some changes in wording in other areas (including cases)

Raymond Fri Oct 07, 2011 09:33am

Quote:

Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 792028)
The new "TC on a throw-in" rule -- it's led to some changes in wording in other areas (including cases)

That's what I searching for, where does it say that there has to be "both team AND PLAYER control in the frontcourt" in order for a backcourt violation to occur?

stiffler3492 Fri Oct 07, 2011 09:37am

http://forum.officiating.com/basketb...tion-rule.html

Here's the thread on this from a couple months ago.

Raymond Fri Oct 07, 2011 09:56am

Nevada's post is misleading as the new TC rule and its associated case plays make no reference to " both team AND PLAYER control in the frontcourt". The newly worded rule he is referencing is 9-9-1.

I'm quite sure the "rule change" the OP wanted us to "keep in mind" was 4-12-2d.

stiffler3492 Fri Oct 07, 2011 09:59am

Well, what I was going for was how the new team control on throw in rule affected backcourt violations.

The general consensus seems to be that what I had was no violation, because there was never player control in the frontcourt.

Raymond Fri Oct 07, 2011 10:09am

Quote:

Originally Posted by stiffler3492 (Post 792055)
Well, what I was going for was how the new team control on throw in rule affected backcourt violations.

The general consensus seems to be that what I had was no violation, because there was never player control in the frontcourt.

No doubt about that. Just that Nevada is a lawyer and likes to play word games.


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