another timing question

[A Pennsylvania Coach]

NCAA rules:

A is trailing by two points, time running out. A1 begins natural shooting motion, gets fouled, time expires, A1 releases the shot, the horn goes off, and the shot goes in.

What do you do?

[ChuckElias]

If I have a courtside replay monitor, I go the video to see if the foul occured before or after the horn. From your description it's hard to determine. But if I could tell that the foul occured before the horn, I would count the basket, reset the game clock to the time the whistle blew, and then administer the FT with the lane spaces filled.

If there's no replay equipment, then I ask the official responsible for the last shot if it was released in time. If he says no, then game over. If he says yes, then count the bucket and administer the FT with no one on the lane. Since I have no definite knowledge of when the whistle blew, I will not put time back on the clock.

Chuck

[devdog69]

As I remember it there was much discussion on this in a previous thread. The main sequence that will cause the most disagreement is the Foul, horn, shot scenario where the foul definitely occurs before the horn and the shot definitely is released after the horn. I haven't changed my stance on it, let's see who does

[A Pennsylvania Coach]

Here's what I'm getting at, I think:

Assuming there are courtside monitors, there should never be an NCAA game that ends with a players shooting free throws with no time on the clock. If the foul came before time expired, there should be time put back on the clock. If the fould came after time expired, there would be no free throws.

So, for example, was there a mistake in that St. John's vs Duke game earlier this year?

http://www.redstormsports.com/pls/po...ease?p_id=2479

[bob jenkins]

Originally posted by A Pennsylvania Coach
Here's what I'm getting at, I think:

Assuming there are courtside monitors, there should never be an NCAA game that ends with a players shooting free throws with no time on the clock.

Not quite true.

A1 releases ball, horn sounds, gets fouled (still airborne), shot misses.

Even though the foul happened after the horn (time expired), the ball was still live and shots are attempted.

I don't know if that's what happened in the game in question or not.

[A Pennsylvania Coach]

Originally posted by bob jenkins

Not quite true.

A1 releases ball, horn sounds, gets fouled (still airborne), shot misses.

Even though the foul happened after the horn (time expired), the ball was still live and shots are attempted.

I don't know if that's what happened in the game in question or not.

Ah ha! I thought it seemed like I was missing something but I couldn't figure out what. Thanks Bob J.

[Mregor]

Originally posted by ChuckElias
If there's no replay equipment, then I ask the official responsible for the last shot if it was released in time. If he says no, then game over.

Chuck,

Wouldn't you shoot the free throws even if the shot wasn't released before the horn since he was in the act of shooting?

Mregor

[ChuckElias]

Yes. I should've said that you shoot the FTs, but cannot count the basket as it was released too late. Sorry.