Faking Being Fouled

[Adam]

You don't need rules backing. You need assigner backing. While the two normally go together, it's not always so. If you don't believe me, try calling a FT violation as soon as you count to ten sometime. Or, try calling three seconds by the letter.
I have called this T exactly once, in a 7th grade YMCA game, after I warned the coach, when the defender grunted and fell as the dribbler got within about six feet. Here, I can tell you in a HS game, if I made the call from the video without a warning, I'd be "counseled." And the rule wouldn't do jack squat for me.
Also, the block is accepted some places as a remedy.

[APG]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

You don't need rules backing. You need assigner backing. While the two normally go together, it's not always so. If you don't believe me, try calling a FT violation as soon as you count to ten sometime. Or, try calling three seconds by the letter.
I have called this T exactly once, in a 7th grade YMCA game, after I warned the coach, when the defender grunted and fell as the dribbler got within about six feet. Here, I can tell you in a HS game, if I made the call from the video without a warning, I'd be "counseled." And the rule wouldn't do jack squat for me.
Also, the block is accepted some places as a remedy.

Exactly. Just like JRut said..you can be right, and still be dead wrong at the same time.

[Toren]

I will say this, if you call an unsporting technical on one side of the floor, that better be the call on the other end. This one has to be all partners on the same page.

Thanks for the discussion guys. Lots of good points, can't wait to get more experience and add more to the discussion.

[SmokeEater]

FIBA rules states in 38.3.1 that it is a Technical foul (non contact foul of a behavioural nature)to Fall down to Fake a foul.
The resulting penalty is 2 shots for the offended team and the ball back.
Players are able to receive up to 5 Technicals in a game or a combination of Technicals and player fouls that add up to 5.

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

...you can be right, and still be dead wrong at the same time.

No, sir. Not possible. Instead, you can be right, and significantly unpopular at the same time, particularly within your own circle.

[APG]

Originally Posted by bainsey

No, sir. Not possible. Instead, you can be right, and significantly unpopular at the same time, particularly within your own circle.

You keep telling yourself that...

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

You keep telling yourself that...

I don't have to. I already know that. I'm telling you that.

Originally Posted by tref

Futhermore [sic], part of the game within the game is players trying to fool the referee, its [sic] their job.

On the contrary. As Billy posted earlier, it's not part of the game.

The players should just play the damn game without getting sleazy and resorting to fabrications. To simply accept cheating is the reason why this crap still goes on. Just grow a pair and deal with it, even if you have to warn them first.

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Her point was that they were right to walk across the street under the law, but they should not assume that the people in the cars were just going to yield.

That has nothing to do with right and wrong. That has everything to do with being cautious.

[tref]

Originally Posted by bainsey

On the contrary. As Billy posted earlier, it's not part of the game.

The players should just play the damn game without getting sleazy and resorting to fabrications. To simply accept cheating is the reason why this crap still goes on. Just grow a pair and deal with it, even if you have to warn them first.

May not be meant to be part of the GAME, but it is part of the game within the GAME. You referee by the black & white of book if you want & I'll live in the grey, ok. John Adams is big on calling the game by the rules as written. Hearing him critique in a camp setting, he too says "right call, wrong time."

You know how I deal with it? I take my shooters up, down & beyond and KNOW how they got to the floor & I only put whistles on meaningful plays. My bosses dont like GIs

Should their antics become a problem, absolutely, I will warn them then whack them. I dont have that problem because there's a look I give them to let them know, Not Tonite son!
See the problem with that particular play is, some referees like to watch the flight of the ball, they hear a boom & reward the shooter because he fooled them. If we do our damn jobs & stop falling for the okie-doke maybe the players will come up with something new..

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by bainsey

That has nothing to do with right and wrong. That has everything to do with being cautious.

Then you completely missed the point then, because if you are a pedestrian you have the right away in most situations under the law of most jurisdictions. In other words a car that hits you the person driving would be in violation of the law. But if you are dead because you got run over, what good is being right when you are in a grave or what about if you are in the hospital?

It is the same thing we are talking about here as officials. If you make that call and you get fired or you do not get many more games because your judgment is in question, I guess you can stand there and say you applied the rule, but what point did you make when you are not working anymore? Some battles are worth fighting, and others are not. And this is I was told to not be a "rulebook official" because that will get you run out of working more than just about anything.

Peace

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Then you completely missed the point then [sic]....

Rut, I got your point. I disagree with it strongly.

If you make that call and you get fired or you do not get many more games because your judgment is in question, I guess you can stand there and say you applied the rule, but what point did you make when you are not working anymore?

So what you're saying is, one's desire for assignments should transcend one's integrity. That speaks volumes, doesn't it? Be careful what motivates you, sir.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by bainsey

No, sir. Not possible. Instead, you can be right, and significantly unpopular at the same time, particularly within your own circle.

Do not change the term to fit your opinion. And this phrase did not come from officiating BTW. Actually my mom used to say this all the time as she was a professor at a university in the town where I grew up and she would say this while on campus there would be students that would just walk across the street and not be cognizant of they cars flying down the street. Her point was that they were right to walk across the street under the law, but they should not assume that the people in the cars were just going to yield.

Peace

[Adam]

Originally Posted by bainsey

No, sir. Not possible. Instead, you can be right, and significantly unpopular at the same time, particularly within your own circle.

At most, it's semantics. But "unpopular" doesn't quite cut it. Not when your assigner is involved. Point is, the "rule" call can still be the wrong call.