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Originally posted by ChuckElias

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Originally posted by JRutledge
Officiating is a profession masquerading as a vocation

Um. . . huh? http://www.stopstart.freeserve.co.uk/smilie/dunno.gif

Oops. Advocation.

Peace

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Originally posted by JRutledge
Oops. Advocation.

Try one more time. . . :)

HEAR HEAR !!!!!!

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Originally posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.
I have decided to jump into this fray concerning codes of ethics.

I think that we can all agree that there are many youth and adult recreational leagues all over the country that use officials that are not certified in some manner. Certified meaning registered with the StateHSAA, a member of IAABO (such as in manner states in the NE part of the USA or parts of Canada), member of a LOA (as in California), or one could be a FIBA official (if we are speaking of an official from another country).

I coach our nine year old son's 10U basketball team in a Toledo Park and Rec. league where a good percentage of officials are not OhioHSAA registered officials; that means these officials have no training as basketball officials nor knowledge of the rules and mechanics of officiating (and their officiating shows it). To make matters even worse, that Table Officials are hired through a temporary employment agency (meaning that many of them could not hold a job at McDonald's) and these people have absolutely no training to do the job as Scorer or Timer and their performance at the games show it.

The game officials, whether OhioHSAA or not, receive $20 per game. This is the fifth year that I have watched our sons play in games sponsored by the Toledo P/R and I can count on one hand the number of officials who gave a professional account of themselves. And I have to sit there and keep my thoughts to myself.

Where is this post going, you ask? Sports officiating is a profession masquarading as advocation, no matter whether one is officiating jr. H.S. games or Div. I games. When one accepts money to officiate, that person is expected to perform at a certain minimum level of competency. A code of ethics spells out the type of conduct that is required of a sports official (or engineer, there are many readers out there who have read my $100 postings concerning professionalism).

A code of ethics for a profession gives the practioners of that profession quidelines on how to conduct themselves. There are times when a situation arises that is out of the norm and a code of ethics helps one navigate through these abnormal situations.

Chuck,

I did not say that we practice sports officiating as a profession in the same manner that I practice engineering as my profession. But sports officiating by its nature meets the definition of a profession. But sports officiating is an advocation because we do it for the "fun" and satisfaction that we receive for doing a job well done.

MTD, Sr.

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Originally posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.
But sports officiating by its nature meets the definition of a profession.

Noooooooo, it doesn't. We've had this exact conversation before and you've broken out your Webster's. You provided a definition, and it clearly does not apply to sports officiating in general. Go back and search the threads, Mark. We've done this exact dance before.

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But sports officiating is an advocation

Again, no it's not. Crack that dictionary and I think you (and Jeff) will find that it's an "avocation". :)

Chuck

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Originally posted by ChuckElias

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Originally posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.
But sports officiating by its nature meets the definition of a profession.

Noooooooo, it doesn't. We've had this exact conversation before and you've broken out your Webster's. You provided a definition, and it clearly does not apply to sports officiating in general. Go back and search the threads, Mark. We've done this exact dance before.

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But sports officiating is an advocation

Again, no it's not. Crack that dictionary and I think you (and Jeff) will find that it's an "avocation". :)

Chuck

Chuck, you are a pit bull! Get 'em! Get 'em! :D

Anywho, this link might be useful to Rut & MTD

http://www.m-w.com/home.htm

Depends on the definition.

Vocation:

2 a : the work in which a person is regularly employed : <b>OCCUPATION</b> b : the persons engaged in a particular occupation.

Now I do not know about you, but I have been an official longer than I have been at any other job or activity. Part of the reason is the fact that I was in college and officiating paid many of my bills while I was not working at anything else. Maybe you are a teacher normally and officiating is what you do for extra money, but to me putting the time I do in officiating (year round for me) this might as well be a job. During the winter alone I do extensive travel and get a lot of money to do something that is only an activity.

Now I guess it comes down to how you look at it, but for me this is a job. I have to make several accomidations to maintain it and to work with the schedule I have. And for me the money goes to pay sevral bills. So it is not just a hobby for me. I run this as any other business I have been in, and for anyone here that has ever had their own business can understand. But then again, it is how you look at it.

Peace

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Originally posted by Dan_ref
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Chuck, you are a pit bull! Get 'em! Get 'em!

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