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Raymond Wed Aug 17, 2011 07:39am

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Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 781439)
What if the ball is thrown from the far FT line just prior to the shot clock expiring and turns out to be an airball (with the horn sounding while the ball is in flight)? Now you have to choose between the two endlines. It could make a difference late in a quarter or half.

You are wise beyond your years, just a week late. :cool:



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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 779591)
Scrapper's interp may be technically correct but I can say I've never had a game where the throw-in was brought back out to a designated spot nearest the origin of the shot.

I need to pay attention to some of occurrences on TV games and see what they are doing. Really had never put much thought into it before this discussion. Guess it would make a big difference if it occurred in the waning seconds of a close game.


bob jenkins Wed Aug 17, 2011 08:03am

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Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 781439)
What if the ball is thrown from the far FT line just prior to the shot clock expiring and turns out to be an airball (with the horn sounding while the ball is in flight)? Now you have to choose between the two endlines. It could make a difference late in a quarter or half.

That only happens with time expiring in the half. The chances of it *also* happening with the shot clock running out such that the shot clock expires and the try is obviously missed before the game clock expires are small. I don't recall ever hearing of such a case.

Doesn't mean we shouldn't discuss it, but it's not really going to affect the game.

tref Wed Aug 17, 2011 09:04am

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Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 781474)
That only happens with time expiring in the half. The chances of it *also* happening with the shot clock running out such that the shot clock expires and the try is obviously missed before the game clock expires are small. I don't recall ever hearing of such a case.

Doesn't mean we shouldn't discuss it, but it's not really going to affect the game.

Team A up 59-58 with 9 seconds remaining in the game, 5 on the shot clock. The ball is tipped deep into the backcourt where A1 retrieves & throws an airball. Coach B is lobbying for a throw-in where the shot left from, coach A goes nuts as he thinks it should be a b/c endline throw-in.
4 seconds left in a good game & the officials seem confused & unsure. EOG situation, I could see an incorrect throw-in spot costing someone a few games. Not a good look...



An incorrect throw-in spot for shot clock violations could be an issue in the last 2 minutes of a highly competitive ballgame as well.

Camron Rust Wed Aug 17, 2011 11:25am

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Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 781439)
What if the ball is thrown from the far FT line just prior to the shot clock expiring and turns out to be an airball (with the horn sounding while the ball is in flight)? Now you have to choose between the two endlines. It could make a difference late in a quarter or half.

I wasn't talking about every situation...just that in MOST situations it will not make much of a difference. I'm aware that there are a few scenarios that could be constructed that it would make a real difference but they're not very probable.

APG Wed Aug 17, 2011 11:52am

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Originally Posted by tref (Post 781481)
Team A up 59-58 with 9 seconds remaining in the game, 5 on the shot clock. The ball is tipped deep into the backcourt where A1 retrieves & throws an airball. Coach B is lobbying for a throw-in where the shot left from, coach A goes nuts as he thinks it should be a b/c endline throw-in.
4 seconds left in a good game & the officials seem confused & unsure. EOG situation, I could see an incorrect throw-in spot costing someone a few games. Not a good look...



An incorrect throw-in spot for shot clock violations could be an issue in the last 2 minutes of a highly competitive ballgame as well.

The chances of a college coach asking for that are infinitesimal...because in every game he's coached, the ball has been inbounded where the ball was physically located when the whistle blew...not where the shooter was located.

Scrapper1 Fri Sep 23, 2011 05:49pm

I recently had the pleasure of meeting Art Hyland. I presented him with this question, and before I could finish the question, he was nodding his head, obviously having heard it several times before.

His answer, paraphrased (but pretty close):

"The rules committee has not done a good job of being clear about that. But we've always put it in play at the spot closest to where the shot was taken."

I assume the "we" in that statement is Big East officials, but I didn't feel like I should take more of his time.

So according to the NCAA-M Rules Editor. . . I'm right. :D

Nevadaref Fri Sep 23, 2011 11:52pm

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Originally Posted by Scrapper1 (Post 789424)
So according to the NCAA-M Rules Editor. . . I'm right. :D

So is some guy from Nevada who wrote post #7, which you agreed with in post #9. :)

Raymond Sat Sep 24, 2011 11:01am

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Originally Posted by Scrapper1 (Post 789424)
I recently had the pleasure of meeting Art Hyland. I presented him with this question, and before I could finish the question, he was nodding his head, obviously having heard it several times before.

His answer, paraphrased (but pretty close):

"The rules committee has not done a good job of being clear about that....

I can think of 3-4 more rules/mechanics that could get this same answer.

Scrapper1 Sat Sep 24, 2011 08:04pm

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Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 789454)
So is some guy from Nevada who wrote post #7, which you agreed with in post #9. :)

Credit where credit is due :)

JRutledge Sat Sep 24, 2011 08:37pm

That all sounds great, but if that is how they feel they need to put that in their casebook, because I have never seen a single shot clock violation (from outside the 3 point line) ever put at the spot of the shot. And the way the NCAA Men's Committee seems to get on officials for not applying rules properly, they should address this somewhere if Mr. Hyland feels that way.

Peace

Scrapper1 Sun Sep 25, 2011 06:32am

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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 789574)
That all sounds great, but if that is how they feel they need to put that in their casebook,

I agree completely, and it sounded to me as though Mr. Hyland does, too. It's probably just one of those things that nobody thinks is really that big a deal so other things get addressed first, and it always gets put off.

NCHSAA Mon Sep 26, 2011 10:05am

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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 789574)
That all sounds great, but if that is how they feel they need to put that in their casebook, because I have never seen a single shot clock violation (from outside the 3 point line) ever put at the spot of the shot. And the way the NCAA Men's Committee seems to get on officials for not applying rules properly, they should address this somewhere if Mr. Hyland feels that way.

Peace

I agree as well. In my conferences it has always been the location where the shot missed. In other words where it came down, approximately.


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