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BktBallRef Wed Feb 26, 2003 08:44pm

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Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
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Originally posted by BktBallRef
Then the case book play and the rule don't agree.

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The playing of music/sound effects shall only be permitted during pre-game, time-outs, intermission and post-game. The use of artificial noisemakers shall be prohibited.

It doesn't say that they are permitted during certain times. It says they are prohibited. Prohibited means they can't be used at all, it would seem to me.


I agree that the rule does seem restrictive,and the language ain't the greatest.However,IMO the casebook play was added,as they usually are,to expand and explain further the concept contained in the original rule,and how that rule should actually be called.

But the rule says the exact opposite of the case play. Prohibited means not at all. If the case book is how they want it handled, then the rule needs to be changed to indicate that.

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If noisemakers were completely prohibited,then they would be removed or banned from the stands,as one post above suggested.
What's wrong with that? :p

They aren't prohibited from the stands,as per the casebook play. They are just prohibited from being used at any time except for the ones listed. [/B][/QUOTE]

They are by the rule book. :p

It's pretty clear that music can be played at these times but it doesn't say artificial nosiemakers can be used. In any case, if you allow them in the stands, people are going to use them. No amount of PA announcements will deter them. So, you just as well have game mgmt. get rid of them.

Jurassic Referee Wed Feb 26, 2003 08:51pm

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Originally posted by BktBallRef
[/B]
No amount of PA announcements will deter them. So, you just as well have game mgmt. get rid of them. [/B][/QUOTE]I know two things for sure:
1)I ain't going anywhere near the stands.
2)I ain't calling a T on the fans either.

BktBallRef Wed Feb 26, 2003 09:20pm

Oh, I don't either. I had a tourney game last week where the fans had pennies in a 2 liter Coke bottle, shaking the damn thing like crazy. The home AD, who also happens to be a football official in our association, was standing on the baseline. During a dead ball, I told him the bottles were illegal.

He thanked me later, saying "I thought they were illegal. I was just waiting on one of you guys to give me the word." I told him that was his call, not mine. I just informed him of the rule.

They also had megaphones but personally, I don't see them as a problem. He let them stay.

Bottom line, if fans have'em and I think they're a problem, I'll remind game mgmt. They're usually thankful that I bring it up.

Dan_ref Wed Feb 26, 2003 10:42pm

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Originally posted by BktBallRef
There are no permitted times.
I was referring to the ncaa rule.

BktBallRef Wed Feb 26, 2003 10:53pm

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Originally posted by Dan_ref
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Originally posted by BktBallRef
There are no permitted times.
I was referring to the ncaa rule.

I was replying to JR, not you.

Dan_ref Wed Feb 26, 2003 11:06pm

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Originally posted by BktBallRef
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Originally posted by Dan_ref
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Originally posted by BktBallRef
There are no permitted times.
I was referring to the ncaa rule.

I was replying to JR, not you.

Oh, well then forget it then.

Hey, I hear you're sick. I hope you feel better real soon.

:)

BktBallRef Wed Feb 26, 2003 11:25pm

What twisted f*** would say such a thing? :D

Dan_ref Wed Feb 26, 2003 11:27pm

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What twisted f*** would say such a thing? :D
Just some run of the mill twisted f***, I guess.

BigJoe Thu Feb 27, 2003 09:04am

There was a quick mention of megaphones in one of the posts. I was wondering what the take on these on this board is? I had one in a game this season and they were making some sort of belching sound during the opposition free throw attempts. I told them that if they wanted to keep the megaphone they would have to refrain from using it during the free throws. What do you guys think?

BktBallRef Fri Feb 28, 2003 12:06am

Unless megaphones are being used by cheerleaders for their designed purpose, they are illegal. There's either a case book play or an NFHS interpetation that addresses this.

moose69 Fri Feb 28, 2003 01:37am

Why the artificle noisemaker rule in the first place? I understand not permitting whistles as they are a distraction. I also understand how compressed air horns are a no-no here as well. But why aren't we allowed to bring in blow horns,an empty pop bottle full of gravel or a pot and a wooden spoon.

How does not permitting an articifial noise maker improve the game.
my opionion is that it dosen't, it actually detracts from the atmosphere.

TR


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