Two questions.

1. Artificial noise makers are allowed in the gym only
A. During regular season games
B. During State playoffs
C. Never

2. Hanging from the rim is allowed when?

The reason for these Questions is as follows.

During a Varsity Contest a fan from the visiting team rings a huge cow bell everytime the home team shoots free throws.

During the same game a break away defense steals ball goes down dunks the ball(no one follows him) does a pull up on the rim.

How would make the call?

Per NCAA rules never for noise makers and to avoid injury on the second.

1)Artificial noisemakers are prohibited except for pre-game,timeouts,intermissions and postgame.
2)Hanging from the rim is a T(unless it's to avoid injury) if it occurs during the officials' jurisdiction-i.e.from the time the officials come onto the floor until they leave the floor at the end of the game.

Not entirely true. Per NCAA they are prohibited when the game is in progress, meaning they CAN be used before the game, during timeouts & intermissions.

However...during a game this season a security person asked me during a timeout if noisemakers can be used. After I gave her this explanation she turned & walked into the stands & confiscated some horn type noisemakers. I had the feeling she was going to do that no matter what I told her. She was tough! :)

Whoa, you're quick. :)

Whoa, you're quick. :) [/B][/QUOTE]Yeah,from the waist up!:D

Artificial noise makers.
 

Thank you for getting back with me on the 2 questions asked. The referee made no effort to remove the noise maker or call a T for hanging on the rim. Give me some help. I was working that three man crew that night. I called the T on the grasping of the rim and had the noise maker removed from the stands with the help of gym manager. This is my 7th year of officiating and 2nd year for varsity level games. But after making the call to remove the noise maker and I blew a late whistle for grasping the rim,after seeing my partner was not going to make the call. At half time I got my a** ate for Calling a T. This was a vet official. He stated it was not my call to make it was his. I stood there with my chin on my chest and had no response. My other partner said he waited for you to make the call and you did not so he did. After that comment the (Referee) said it was not our call, and walked out. After the game he would not go over the game tape with us. Showered and left. This is the same guy who had done the boys AA final four last year. So when I was teamed up with him that night I was so excited to be doing a game with him I all most busted at the seams. Now instead I have a bad taste in my mouth. My other partner talked to me and said not to worry about this, but I am. HOw much damage can he do to my career for what I thought was the right calls

Nope, my buddy was too quick. :p

The playing of music and sound effects are only permitted during pre-game, time-outs, intermission and post-game.

The use of artificial noisemakers is always prohibited.

CLAY, have game management remove the item. As for grasping the rim, what position were you in and where were your partners positioned?

Isn't the proper procedure with noisemakers to have a public address announcement made that they're not to be used except during the permitted times? And then to call a T(yeah right)to the team supporters if they keep using them after the warning?

Re: Artificial noise makers.
 

Who was the trail? If he was the trail and you the lead, then he's got beef with you about it not being your call. However, if you're the trail and/or center, He's got no right to tell you it's not your call.

There are no permitted times.

Casebook play1.18SitC--"to have a public adress announcement made stating that the use of any artificial noisemakers is prohibited other than during the permitted times". The permitted times are outlined in R1-18.

Then the case book play and the rule don't agree.

1-18
The playing of music/sound effects shall only be permitted during pre-game, time-outs, intermission and post-game. The use of artificial noisemakers shall be prohibited.

It doesn't say that they are permitted during certain times. It says they are prohibited. Prohibited means they can't be used at all, it would seem to me.

Fortunately, I don't have to worry about it. The NCHSAA doesn't allow music except before and after the game, and during halftime. SO if artificial noisemakers were allowed, I still wouldn't have to worry about them. :p

Don't sweat it!
 

If he is embarrassed because you made the correct call for him... that's his problem. Sounds like he should have been thanking you for his choke.

Integrity will come through in the end. Make the right call. I'd say good job Clay!

The guy is still a great official and you should still be excited if you get the chance to work with him again... he has experiences and knowledge that you don't have yet.

I agree that the rule does seem restrictive,and the language ain't the greatest.However,IMO the casebook play was added,as they usually are,to expand and explain further the concept contained in the original rule,and how that rule should actually be called. If noisemakers were completely prohibited,then they would be removed or banned from the stands,as one post above suggested.They aren't prohibited from the stands,as per the casebook play.They are just prohibited from being used at any time except for the ones listed.

But the rule says the exact opposite of the case play. Prohibited means not at all. If the case book is how they want it handled, then the rule needs to be changed to indicate that.

What's wrong with that? :p

They aren't prohibited from the stands,as per the casebook play. They are just prohibited from being used at any time except for the ones listed. [/B][/QUOTE]

They are by the rule book. :p

It's pretty clear that music can be played at these times but it doesn't say artificial nosiemakers can be used. In any case, if you allow them in the stands, people are going to use them. No amount of PA announcements will deter them. So, you just as well have game mgmt. get rid of them.

No amount of PA announcements will deter them. So, you just as well have game mgmt. get rid of them. [/B][/QUOTE]I know two things for sure:
1)I ain't going anywhere near the stands.
2)I ain't calling a T on the fans either.

Oh, I don't either. I had a tourney game last week where the fans had pennies in a 2 liter Coke bottle, shaking the damn thing like crazy. The home AD, who also happens to be a football official in our association, was standing on the baseline. During a dead ball, I told him the bottles were illegal.

He thanked me later, saying "I thought they were illegal. I was just waiting on one of you guys to give me the word." I told him that was his call, not mine. I just informed him of the rule.

They also had megaphones but personally, I don't see them as a problem. He let them stay.

Bottom line, if fans have'em and I think they're a problem, I'll remind game mgmt. They're usually thankful that I bring it up.

I was referring to the ncaa rule.

I was replying to JR, not you.

Oh, well then forget it then.

Hey, I hear you're sick. I hope you feel better real soon.

:)

What twisted f*** would say such a thing? :D

Just some run of the mill twisted f***, I guess.

There was a quick mention of megaphones in one of the posts. I was wondering what the take on these on this board is? I had one in a game this season and they were making some sort of belching sound during the opposition free throw attempts. I told them that if they wanted to keep the megaphone they would have to refrain from using it during the free throws. What do you guys think?

Unless megaphones are being used by cheerleaders for their designed purpose, they are illegal. There's either a case book play or an NFHS interpetation that addresses this.

Why the artificle noisemaker rule in the first place? I understand not permitting whistles as they are a distraction. I also understand how compressed air horns are a no-no here as well. But why aren't we allowed to bring in blow horns,an empty pop bottle full of gravel or a pot and a wooden spoon.

How does not permitting an articifial noise maker improve the game.
my opionion is that it dosen't, it actually detracts from the atmosphere.

TR