Is there a ruling on this or is it not in the officials hands?

CoaachJF · #1 (**permalink**) Mon Feb 24, 2003, 03:06pm

I hope when I explain this, my question will be clear, if I'm not very clear please let me know and I will try and repost. Game against the number one team in our league at our gym. We end up losing the game by 12 pts because we just basically fell apart, 1 hour and 45mins after the game Im up in my room correcting papers, and a parent of one of my players enters the room. Besides questioning my coaching, she tells me that everytime her daughter took the ball out on the sideline a older gentleman in the first row was grabbing her jersey and making comments. I explained to the mother I had no idea about this or I would have dealt with it. If my player would have toldthe offical what was going on is there anything he/she could do about it? Ironically we played them a month later for the League Championship and won, but before the game I had my Asst. tallk to the officials, and they said they would watch it but could not do anything. I would appreciate your feedback as being a young coach I have never seen this happen before.

mick · #2 (**permalink**) Mon Feb 24, 2003, 03:16pm

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Originally posted by CoaachJF
I hope when I explain this, my question will be clear, if I'm not very clear please let me know and I will try and repost. Game against the number one team in our league at our gym. We end up losing the game by 12 pts because we just basically fell apart, 1 hour and 45mins after the game Im up in my room correcting papers, and a parent of one of my players enters the room. Besides questioning my coaching, she tells me that everytime her daughter took the ball out on the sideline a older gentleman in the first row was grabbing her jersey and making comments. I explained to the mother I had no idea about this or I would have dealt with it. If my player would have toldthe offical what was going on is there anything he/she could do about it? Ironically we played them a month later for the League Championship and won, but before the game I had my Asst. tallk to the officials, and they said they would watch it but could not do anything. I would appreciate your feedback as being a young coach I have never seen this happen before.

I would have had a very quick and direct word with anyone messin', touchin' or handlin' any player.
I won't deal with it thrice. It'll go away.

RecRef · #3 (**permalink**) Mon Feb 24, 2003, 03:22pm

If this is true, given that it is CoachJF who knows, there would be no second chance. Game management would be called immediately to take care of it.

Paul LeBoutillier · #4 (**permalink**) Mon Feb 24, 2003, 03:26pm

I'm in total agreement with RecRef. Anything of that sort brought to the Official's attention should be taken immediately to the Home Management and stopped.

mick · #5 (**permalink**) Mon Feb 24, 2003, 03:31pm

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Originally posted by Paul LeBoutillier
I'm in total agreement with RecRef. Anything of that sort brought to the Official's attention should be taken immediately to the Home Management and stopped.

Paul,
I like to leave a little wiggle room.

"Oh, Mom !!! That was Suzy Smith's grampa that I told you was such a teaser!"

Dan_ref · #6 (**permalink**) Mon Feb 24, 2003, 03:56pm

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Originally posted by mick

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Originally posted by Paul LeBoutillier
I'm in total agreement with RecRef. Anything of that sort brought to the Official's attention should be taken immediately to the Home Management and stopped.

Paul,
I like to leave a little wiggle room.

"Oh, Mom !!! That was Suzy Smith's grampa that I told you was such a teaser!"

Mick, not-fer-nuthin', but not even Suzy's Grampa should be putting his hands on a teenaged girl in such a manner. Ain't kosher, some might say it's not even legal. JMO.

Ron Pilo · #7 (**permalink**) Mon Feb 24, 2003, 03:57pm

BYE BYE!!!!! 1st strike and you're out

South Bay HHVBC · #8 (**permalink**) Mon Feb 24, 2003, 04:14pm

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Besides questioning my coaching, she tells me that everytime her daughter took the ball out on the sideline a older gentleman in the first row was grabbing her jersey and making comments

just curious, did she mention exactly how many times the player was grabbed? Did the guy move every time to the spot she tok the ball out? The places that a ball can be inbounded is pretty vast in number. Plus, Why didnt she herself go to the old guy and punch him in the face? If ANYONE was messin with a daughter of mine in front of my own eyes, i wouldnt think twice about confronting that individual with at least strong words.

mick · #9 (**permalink**) Mon Feb 24, 2003, 04:15pm

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Originally posted by Dan_ref

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Originally posted by mick

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Originally posted by Paul LeBoutillier
I'm in total agreement with RecRef. Anything of that sort brought to the Official's attention should be taken immediately to the Home Management and stopped.

Paul,
I like to leave a little wiggle room.

"Oh, Mom !!! That was Suzy Smith's grampa that I told you was such a teaser!"

Mick, not-fer-nuthin', but not even Suzy's Grampa should be putting his hands on a teenaged girl in such a manner. Ain't kosher, some might say it's not even legal. JMO.

Aw Dan,
I don't disagree. Yet, I ain't callin' it unless there is a clear advantage/disadvantage.
But Coaach's case was seen by a mother who either over-reacted, cuz it was nothing, or under-reacted, cuz it was something. Plus she was already aggravated enough to go yell at Coaach, and she wasn't making much sense.
You sound like a parent. I'm not a parent anymore.

mick

Dan_ref · #10 (**permalink**) Mon Feb 24, 2003, 04:17pm

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You sound like a parent. I'm not a parent anymore.
mick

One down, one to go!

Mark Padgett · #11 (**permalink**) Mon Feb 24, 2003, 04:32pm

Something smells rotten in Denmark. An old geezer was doing this to a player for an entire game and the player never said anything???

Yeah, suuuuuuuure.

Peter Devana · #12 (**permalink**) Mon Feb 24, 2003, 07:13pm

Agree with those saying this is one of the many resp. of game managers. Bring it to their attention and let them handle it. Refs don't mix it up with fans. If there is no manager go to the home coach and have him/her deal with it.

Paul LeBoutillier · #13 (**permalink**) Mon Feb 24, 2003, 08:24pm

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Originally posted by Peter Devana
Agree with those saying this is one of the many resp. of game managers. Bring it to their attention and let them handle it. Refs don't mix it up with fans. If there is no manager go to the home coach and have him/her deal with it.

Exactly. Let them figure out whether it's good ol' Uncle Bob just being silly or dirty old Uncle Bob being a pervert.

Ref Daddy · #14 (**permalink**) Tue Feb 25, 2003, 10:59am

A different angle please:

What rights / responsiobilities does a Coach have addressing these and similiar incidents?

Can the coach go to management or through the officials only?

Could have interesting consequences if the VISITING coach wants to "address' crowd situations?

Comments?

BigJoe · #15 (**permalink**) Tue Feb 25, 2003, 12:28pm

I was thinking the same thing as South Bay. How did it happen that that girl just happened to throw the ball in at the same spot as that fan more than once? Also, how is it possible that the administering official didn't see the act if it happened more than once? Something is definitely fishy here. Also, I would have game management remove this fan immediately if I saw it happen or the girl or girl's coach told me about it.