Anyone ever call a flop unsportsmanlike?

mplagrow · #1 (**permalink**) Fri Feb 21, 2003, 09:26pm

I've heard it said that you can call unsportsmanlike play for someone flopping to draw a foul call. Has anyone ever called a technical for flopping? I've never seen it done. Would it ever be wise to call it? Usually the kid has the puzzled look on his face, and he's totally indignant that he didn't get the call. I usually shrug, smile, and tell him, "I call fouls, not flops." I actually heard a coach tell a player who got a blocking foul, loud enough to be sure I heard, "Next time flop and then you'll get the call!" Anybody?

BktBallRef · #2 (**permalink**) Fri Feb 21, 2003, 11:40pm

A few years ago, this was in the rule or case book. I don't remember which but I don't believe it's there anymore.

canuckrefguy · #3 (**permalink**) Sat Feb 22, 2003, 12:21am

I had a guy like this in a competitve Mens recreational league. He'd cozy up to his opponent all the time, and flop, looking for the charge. I warned him, but he kept doing it. Then, on a transition play he got absolutely run over. I blew it down, looked right at him and called a block. There was no more flopping after that.

ROMANO · #4 (**permalink**) Sat Feb 22, 2003, 04:08am

To call unsportsmanlike play for someone flopping to draw a foul call?
NEVER!!
TO CALL technical for flopping?
YES!!
(fiba rules)

ref5678 · #5 (**permalink**) Sun Feb 23, 2003, 08:15pm

I think it was in last years fed books, and yes I have called a T for flopping ONCE. FROSH game defender A1 gets upset over a no call on what he thought was a charge. Goes to coach and begins to gripe, and coach says well flop next time. He says it loud enough for most of the gym to hear him, so i go up to the coach and the player and tell them they cant do that. I walk away and ten seconds later teams on defense again and B6 drives towrd the hoop A1 not even touched flops and even slides on the floor for good mesure, and starts to gripe over another no call. So after B6 misses the layup I call a tech on A1 Coach understood and benched player for remainder of the game.

canuckrefguy · #6 (**permalink**) Sun Feb 23, 2003, 08:35pm

Quote:

Originally posted by ROMANO
To call unsportsmanlike play for someone flopping to draw a foul call?
NEVER!!
TO CALL technical for flopping?
YES!!
(fiba rules)

I sure hope you're joking, because nitpicking like that isn't even funny. In fact, it's downright annoying IMO.

And if we're gonna pick nits, it's a Technical FOUL, not just a Technical.

NICK · #7 (**permalink**) Mon Feb 24, 2003, 01:36am

Romano, tech foul (FIBA rules) for flopping? I don't think so. Could'nt find it in the FIBA rulebook.

ROMANO · #8 (**permalink**) Mon Feb 24, 2003, 02:47am

Dear freinds,i'm not joking!
FIBA:"unsportmanlike foul is a personal foul committed by a player which in the the judgement of the official,is not a legitimate attempt to directly play the ball"....
flopping it isn't FOUL!!
..."Technical foul by a player are player foul which do not involve contact with an opposing player"...
it's a technical foul when a player disregards warning by official or uses unsportmanlike tactics.
you can see it NICK at FIBA interpretation of the official basketball rules 2000,there is the situation :"A4 attempts a shot for a field goal whilst B4 tries to distract him by shouting at him or stamping heavily on the floor"
a-the shot is successful
b-the shot is not successful.
interpreation:
a-the basket is awarded and B4 receives a warning
b-a technical foul is charged against B4.
The interpretation say that you can call technical foul to a player after personal unsportmanlike behaviour.
I TOLD YOU BEFORE I'M NOT JOKING!!!

ROMANO · #9 (**permalink**) Mon Feb 24, 2003, 02:50am

P.S
IT WAS NOT EASY TO POST ALL THIS LONG MESSAGE.....

NICK · #10 (**permalink**) Mon Feb 24, 2003, 04:30am

Hi Romano, with FIBA rules, I still cannot classify a flop as unsportsmanlike as the defender is trying to suck a foul call off the referee and I do not see the experienced referee calling it. Usually if it is not called the defensive player not try it again. I can accept that the shouting or stamping of feet, etc. is unacceptable but not flopping and i never call it.

ChuckElias · #11 (**permalink**) Mon Feb 24, 2003, 09:00am

Nick, I think if you re-read Romano's post, you'll see that he's agreeing with you. He would NOT call an unsportsmanlike foul for a defender flopping. He MIGHT, however, call a technical foul for this.

The reason is that an unsportsmanlike foul (in FIBA) is a type of personal foul which includes excessive contact. So flopping would NOT fit in this category. No contact, right? That's what flopping is, falling without contact. So it can't be unsportsmanlike, in FIBA.

However, it does fall under the technical foul rule as outlined by Romano's long quoted passage.

Does that help clear anything up?

Chuck

ROMANO · #12 (**permalink**) Mon Feb 24, 2003, 10:26am

THANK you ChuckElias !!
you understand me very well.
i'm very happy that my long quoted passage wasn't for nothing...

hawkk · #13 (**permalink**) Mon Feb 24, 2003, 10:42am

I saw this called once in a HS varsity game many moons ago -- there was about 2 feet of space between the flopping defender and the spinning ball handler when the flopper went down with a groan. IMHO the only time to even consider calling a T would be when there is NO CONTACT at all, and it happens more than once.

ROMANO · #14 (**permalink**) Mon Feb 24, 2003, 11:03am

Yes you are right.
the only thing we can call is Technical(FIBA)foul.this is unsportman like behaviour of a player.

Blackhawk357 · #15 (**permalink**) Mon Feb 24, 2003, 02:49pm

I have never called it, but I have seen it called when it puts other players at risk of injury. i.e. Under the basket with rebounders stepping on and falling all around the flopper.

Blackhawk