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tref · #1 (**permalink**) Thu Jul 21, 2011, 08:18am

After a held ball A5 throws an elbow at B5 but misses.
B5 immediately jumps in A5s face.

Dead ball double T.

Had B5 punched A5 instead, could we go double flagrant Ts as A5s initial unsporting act lead to the punch?

APG · #2 (**permalink**) Thu Jul 21, 2011, 08:32am

A5 and B5 are both gone.

4-18 Fighting
Art. 2 ... An attempt to instigate a fight by committing an unsporting act that causes a person to retaliate by fighting.

Tossing a deliberate elbow is an attempt to instigate a fight IMO which would cause a normal person to retaliate by fighting.

tref · #3 (**permalink**) Thu Jul 21, 2011, 08:42am

Ok, thats what I thought, whether the elbow connects or not is immaterial.

APG · #4 (**permalink**) Thu Jul 21, 2011, 08:54am

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Originally Posted by tref

Ok, thats what I thought, whether the elbow connects or not is immaterial.

I feel like I should clarify...that if it's a deliberately thrown elbow, the player would be tossed anyhow...just like a thrown and missed punch. If a player throws an elbow that's unsporting but not to the level of getting tossed, and a player retaliates by fighting, then you'd toss both of them.

tomegun · #5 (**permalink**) Thu Jul 21, 2011, 09:38am

I would say toss the player for the elbow (attempt) if it is judged to be deliberate. I would give the other player a technical foul.

This is my opinion without seeing the actual play and it could change depending on how severe "getting in the face" actually is.

tref · #6 (**permalink**) Thu Jul 21, 2011, 10:21am

Yeah, I did not see the play either. Discussion with a buddy...