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Wed Jul 12, 2000, 06:20pm
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Richard Ogg:
As for how I call the game, once the ball is released I allow anyone to reach over the line -- same interpretation for A and B. Once it is touched by a player who is inbounds, the ball is inbounds and I start the clock. From that point, everything seems natural. I've never seen the situation where a coach will balk at this. It would seem that the only scenario would be on a long inbound pass that stays OOB for most of the flight. How would you handle a situation where a team is inbounding the ball after a goal and they attempt to pass the ball along the endline to a teammate and a defender reaches across the boundary plane and intercepts the ball while he is still standing inbounds. Would you rule this as a legal play based on the fact that the ball had been released? I don't think so. Part of the strategy of this type of play is that you might be able to trick the defense into committing a T by reaching over the boundary plane to bat the ball. If you subscribe to the theory that once the ball is released it is fair game, then you have, in effect, taken this legal play away from the inbounding team. 
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Wed Jul 12, 2000, 07:47pm
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This is why a editorial change or casebook play would help so much...The way I'm looking at it there are only two chocies left its either a T or a good play(no call)in your play since the ball was still in control of the ball between legal inbounders it has to be a T. now the question arises.. it is a T on that player and not a team T(and first warning)the next time a boundry line situation occurs is it a T for second violation or is it the first warning for the team as touching the ball while OOB is a whole different infraction than boundry plane infractions.....
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Thu Jul 13, 2000, 10:05am
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OK so we have gone through all the if but or may be. If we had A1 bringing the ball in from OOB and B1 was also behind the line after a lay up then he played the ball, is this not breaking the plane of the line and a T should be called.
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Thu Jul 13, 2000, 01:50pm
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another great discussion. i'm justa coach, remember. go easy on me. when defending the inbound, i tell my players to stay 3 feet behind the line and don't break the 3 foot plane. first time we do it - a warning. second - "t".
2 questions. am i wrong on the 3 foot range? and, whatever the correct distance, can i instruct my players that's it's ok to reach over the plane to deflect the ball once it is released? (cause, as a previous poster mentioned, one on my pet plays is the old 2 players behind the inbound line after a made basket to break the press... i sure wouldn't want a scottie pippin to intercept the ball and lay it in for a humiliating basket against us)
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Thu Jul 13, 2000, 02:27pm
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quote: 1) The "three foot distance" only applies when there is less than three feet OOB for the thrower-in to use. The floor, if properly marked, has a dashed line to be used as a "temporary restraining line" on inbounds plays (but most floors aren't properly marked and the official will point out a volleyball line or similar to be used). If the offense has more than three feet to use out of bounds, then the defender can go right up to the plane of the out of bounds line. 2) I'm not quite sure how to answer this -- that's what the whole discussion is about. If I'm refereeing, you can reach across the line when the ball has been released *on an inbounds pass* without penalty. But, if it's a pass to another player out of bounds (when allowed), then you'd better not reach across and touch the ball. And, yes, I expect the defense to recognize the difference.
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Thu Jul 13, 2000, 07:23pm
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quote: See PAULK1's July 11 post above for all rule references. It appears from the two conflicting rules that he accurately quotes that the real answer would be that, once the ball is released by A1 toward the court, B1's hands may cross the line, but if his hands touch the ball before it crosses the line, it is a technical foul. This would be the interpretation you would get by taking the two rules together. Of course the question then becomes: what is the purpose of allowing B1 to reach over the line at that point if he can't touch the ball? DUH! [This message has been edited by Mark Padgett (edited July 14, 2000).]
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