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[tref]

Are any other States going back to or have gone back to 2 person? If so, did your association just take it or did they try to fight it?

I know we arent a union but we are independent contractors. It seems like if nobody worked 2 person games, something would have to give!

I see 3 options:

1. Every varsity official declines 2 person games.

2. Individually decline 2 person games or block those particular schools in Arbiter.

3. Dont enter the draw & pick up whatever open varsity games you wish to work.


Thoughts?

[Raymond]

Here that is negotiated between the conferences and the officials associations that service them. The state doesn't control it.

All regional and state play-off game are 3-man.

[tref]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Here that is negotiated between the conferences and the officials associations that service them. The state doesn't control it.

All regional and state play-off game are 3-man.

Same here... I just meant any States other than Colorado going through this?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by tref

Same here... I just meant any States other than Colorado going through this?

We are?

[tref]

From what I hear, you guys are good to go down south. A couple of leagues here in the Metro area are going the cheap route

[Adam]

Originally Posted by tref

From what I hear, you guys are good to go down south. A couple of leagues here in the Metro area are going the cheap route

Last year they asked to drop to 2 for JV games but we rearranged the pay scale.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by tref

From what I hear, you guys are good to go down south. A couple of leagues here in the Metro area are going the cheap route

So it's not a state mandated thing. Some conferences are deciding to make that move?

[Tim C]

Oregon is two whistle crew for all games (including State Championship) at the high school level.

We have always been two whistle and there is little, to no, chance of that ever changing.

As an ex-basketball official I am fine with two whistle crews.

T

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Tim C

Oregon is two whistle crew for all games (including State Championship) at the high school level.

We have always been two whistle and there is little, to no, chance of that ever changing.

As an ex-basketball official I am fine with two whistle crews.

T

LOL, I'll bet.

[26 Year Gap]

Originally Posted by Tim C

Oregon is two whistle crew for all games (including State Championship) at the high school level.

We have always been two whistle and there is little, to no, chance of that ever changing.

As an ex-basketball official I am fine with two whistle crews.

T

Wait! Are you in LA?

Here is a related thread. Budget Cuts

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by tref

Are any other States going back to or have gone back to 2 person? If so, did your association just take it or did they try to fight it?

I know we arent a union but we are independent contractors. It seems like if nobody worked 2 person games, something would have to give!

I see 3 options:

1. Every varsity official declines 2 person games.

2. Individually decline 2 person games or block those particular schools in Arbiter.

3. Dont enter the draw & pick up whatever open varsity games you wish to work.


Thoughts?

Nevada, which isn't far away from you, is retaining 3-person for boys and girls varsity games at the 3A and 4A levels.

[Freddy]

One conference of mostly class D schools, the smallest of the four classes in our state, by virtue of an administrators' decision, went back to two-man last year. Word has it the coaches are compelling the AD's to prompt the administrators to go back to three-man again this coming season. They lost the willingness of the most veteran, seasoned officials they had grown to like doing their games because many of those guys blocked themselves off of two-man games. Further problem they had was that many class C schools were hesitant to schedule home-and-home contests with them knowing that they'd get a two-man crew when playing the away game at the class D's gym.
BTW, as most on this board would agree, two-man done correctly can be done very well, as the Oregon's "archaic" way of doing it attests. Better than three-man with two or three guys watching the ball all the time. I'd rather do two-man with a good partner who exercises proper primary coverage than three-man with one or two guys whose primary consists of being able to count the number of seams on the ball at any given time.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Freddy

One conference of mostly class D schools, the smallest of the four classes in our state, by virtue of an administrators' decision, went back to two-man last year. Word has it the coaches are compelling the AD's to prompt the administrators to go back to three-man again this coming season. They lost the willingness of the most veteran, seasoned officials they had grown to like doing their games because many of those guys blocked themselves off of two-man games. Further problem they had was that many class C schools were hesitant to schedule home-and-home contests with them knowing that they'd get a two-man crew when playing the away game at the class D's gym.

Translation: Most of the veteran officials either do not wish to make the physical effort which is required to properly work the 2-man system or aren't capable of doing so, and thus elected to remove themselves from consideration for those assignments.

[Freddy]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Translation: Most of the veteran officials either do not wish to make the physical effort which is required to properly work the 2-man system or aren't capable of doing so, and thus elected to remove themselves from consideration for those assignments.

Nevada,
Right. Someone had to do it. Leave it to you to take the low road. Reading between the lines to draw out any negativity you can squeeze out of my comment. The positive slant could have easily been taken by the simplicity of the words expressed, but no. Aspersions cast. Crushing critique delivered. Hope your appetite for smartaleckiness has been satiated.




(P.S. - Facts are facts. You are quite correct.)

[APG]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Translation: Most of the veteran officials either do not wish to make the physical effort which is required to properly work the 2-man system or aren't capable of doing so, and thus elected to remove themselves from consideration for those assignments.

Or, they could just hate doing two-man.