Where's my English-Spanish rule book?

[Camron Rust]

In FIBA, timeouts are handled in a very different manner. The coach, in addition to the language barrier, may have been uncertain of how timeouts worked here.

IIRC, FIBA timeouts go through the table and are only recognized during a stopped clock dead ball or when the team is due a throwin (not yet started???) after a made basket....and if they don't have one, the table just ignores the request.

Just found this document that covers this difference and others... http://www.fiba.com/asp_includes/dow...sp?file_id=518

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

In FIBA, timeouts are handled in a very different manner. The coach, in addition to the language barrier, may have been uncertain of how timeouts worked here.

IIRC, FIBA timeouts go through the table and are only recognized during a stopped clock dead ball or when the team is due a throwin (not yet started???) after a made basket....and if they don't have one, the table just ignores the request.

Not the official's fault. If you are going to play in a tournament not in your country, then you probably should know the rules of that tournament. Not saying you are suggesting otherwise, but this is not up to the officials to know what other rules a team "might" play under.

Peace

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

IIRC, FIBA timeouts go through the table and are only recognized during a stopped clock dead ball or when the team is due a throwin (not yet started???) after a made basket....and if they don't have one, the table just ignores the request.

This may have been the biggest problem for the coach.

[APG]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

In FIBA, timeouts are handled in a very different manner. The coach, in addition to the language barrier, may have been uncertain of how timeouts worked here.

IIRC, FIBA timeouts go through the table and are only recognized during a stopped clock dead ball or when the team is due a throwin (not yet started???) after a made basket....and if they don't have one, the table just ignores the request.

Just found this document that covers this difference and others... http://www.fiba.com/asp_includes/dow...sp?file_id=518

Taking a look at the rest of that file, it seems like it's pretty old. A lot of the information they have for the NBA and WNBA is outdated. Heck, it still states that FIBA has a trapezoid lane, and I believe they changed it to a rectangular lane with the NBA dimensions as well as added a restricted area the past year.

Still it's always interesting to see the differences between FIBA and North American codes and see their take on the game.

[Camron Rust]

This brings up an interesting question about timeouts.....

Why do we penalize for an excessive timeout?

Sure, in the case of a live ball or with the clock running, it can provide an advantage that shouldn't be allowed. But, what about when the ball is dead and the clock is stopped. What harm or unfair advantage is there for a coach to ask for a timeout and have it denied (or let them have it if they still want it at the expense of a T)? It seems that the penalty is actually too harsh in such cases.

[tref]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

This brings up an interesting question about timeouts.....

Why do we penalize for an excessive timeout?

Sure, in the case of a live ball or with the clock running, it can provide an advantage that shouldn't be allowed. But, what about when the ball is dead and the clock is stopped. What harm or unfair advantage is there for a coach to ask for a timeout and have it denied (or let them have it if they still want it at the expense of a T)? It seems that the penalty is actually too harsh in such cases.

Thats where selective hearing comes into play.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

This brings up an interesting question about timeouts.....

Why do we penalize for an excessive timeout?

Sure, in the case of a live ball or with the clock running, it can provide an advantage that shouldn't be allowed. But, what about when the ball is dead and the clock is stopped. What harm or unfair advantage is there for a coach to ask for a timeout and have it denied (or let them have it if they still want it at the expense of a T)? It seems that the penalty is actually too harsh in such cases.

Originally Posted by tref

Thats where selective hearing comes into play.

Went to a college staff camp this off-season. There was a play where there was a time-out request at about the same time the ball got tied up but T-O request definitely came first. The supervisor questioned the officials about the play and was none too happy when one of the officials said he ignored the T-O request b/c he knew that team was out of time-outs.

[tref]

Went to a college staff camp this past weekend where a guy granted an excessive t/o & whacked the coach, knowing the coach was out.
The clinician asked if the coach had been told he was out? No.
Then he asked if the table had told any of the crew? No
He then said be smart about those situations...

Different strokes 4 different folks.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by tref

Went to a college staff camp this past weekend where a guy granted an excessive t/o & whacked the coach, knowing the coach was out.
The clinician asked if the coach had been told he was out? No.
Then he asked if the table had told any of the crew? No
He then said be smart about those situations...

Different strokes 4 different folks.

Camron's post that you quoted made no mention of failing to properly inform the coach that he was out of T-O's so you are adding a bunch of kool-aid to water.

And notice, I said SUPERVISOR and you said CLINICIAN. Supervisor specifically mentioned that in a real game he would have tape sent to him the next day showing the official ignored the time-out request.