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NFHS Subvarsity: A1 is going in for a lay up and B1 fouls him. In the officials judgement the foul is not intentional just a common foul. A1 however slaps back with an elbow which hits B1 on the back. Both player now are possibly going to fight but they are restrained by their team mates.
I called a double tech, and also administered the initial personal foul. and then went to AP. However in post game I felt that A1 was really the aggresor in initiating the escalation, yet B1 was assessed a harsher penalty of 2 fouls towards his 5. Would you have called just the personal foul and the tech on the player who retaliated? or the double tech? thanks GTW
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If B didn't retalliate to the elbow, just call the personal foul on B and an intentional T on the A player. Should be a false double foul. A1 shoots 2 with the lane cleared for the personal foul and then designated B# shoots the Tech. B ball at division line.
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I agree with Mregor.
By the way, Mregor, your dad wouldn't happen to be Ray Romano, would he? Ray talks about picking names for his twin boys. His wife wanted names that kind of went together. So they picked "Gregory" and "Shmegory". Are you child #3, "Mregory"? Chuck
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Ok, Roger, I got it now, thanks. But you gotta admit, it doesn't have quite the same ring to it as Shmegory.
Chuck
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In a more serious light. I see this all the time. The player who is fouled gets upset. I haven't had them retaliate, but the get up and are mad. I tell them what do you want, we called the foul. This seems to calm them down. I don't know what these players expect us to do beyond calling a foul.
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I guess that this is one of those situations where you had to be there to see it, but I have some problem with the technical foul against B1. First, you have a personal foul commited by B1 against A1 who is in the act of shooting, not a common foul by B1. Second, you have a technical foul by A1 for a dead ball contact foul. If A1 and B1's teammates are now restraining the two players, it is hard to charge B1 with a technical foul for unsportsmanlike conduct when he really has not done anything since being struck by A1.
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Sorry, that's the only one I know. BTW, Chuck's real name, Saile Kcuhc?
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An elbow intentionally thrown and connected during a dead ball would probably get a flagrant T from me.
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