T for two...

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by ChuckElias
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[Nevadaref]

Originally posted by ChuckElias

Is that a false triple foul?

Chuck,
Your quip actually does have some merit because no one has yet mentioned that within the grouping of these three fouls we have a false multiple foul, since the first two fouls were both charged to Team B.

[Mark Dexter]

Originally posted by Nevadaref

Your quip actually does have some merit because no one has yet mentioned that within the grouping of these three fouls we have a false multiple foul, since the first two fouls were both charged to Team B.

No one's mentioned it because it's the wrong answer - multiple fouls involve personal fouls, not technical fouls. (Otherwise the penalty for two T's on a team could be equal to the penalty for one T.)

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally posted by Mark Dexter

No one's mentioned it because it's the wrong answer - multiple fouls involve personal fouls, not technical fouls. (Otherwise the penalty for two T's on a team could be equal to the penalty for one T.)

But NevadaRef is correct. When B1 committed his techincal foul, that created a false multiple foul, and when A1 committed his techncial foul, that created the false double foul. This is true for both NFHS and NCAA Men's/Women's rules.

[BktBallRef]

Originally posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

But NevadaRef is correct. When B1 committed his techincal foul, that created a false multiple foul, and when A1 committed his techncial foul, that created the false double foul. This is true for both NFHS and NCAA Men's/Women's rules.

None of which means a hoot, since you simply enforce them in the order in which they occurred.

[JRutledge]

Did the same official give both Technical Fouls?

Because if they did, you might have a simaltaneous Technical if the official ruled that both happen at the same time.

Then my next question is, why was Team A chirping? Were they talking to the official or a player on Team B?

But without these questions being answered, it looks to me on the surface that we have a 1 & 1 shot with the lane cleared (with team A). Then we have Team A shooting the Technical Foul shots with the lane cleared of course. Finally we would have Team B shooting their T Foul shots and Team B would get the ball at the division line.

Peace

[Nevadaref]

Mark,
Take a look at 4-19-10+11. In 10 it says that a multiple foul situation does have to be personal fouls, but 11 defines a FALSE multiple foul situation as just two or more fouls. To me that means they can be both personal, both technical, or a mixture of the two.

And Tony, you are right that it doesn't matter for purposes of administering the game, but for an academic rules discussion or a written test it does.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally posted by Nevadaref
Mark,
Take a look at 4-19-10+11. In 10 it says that a multiple foul situation does have to be personal fouls, but 11 defines a FALSE multiple foul situation as just two or more fouls. To me that means they can be both personal, both technical, or a mixture of the two.

And Tony, you are right that it doesn't matter for purposes of administering the game, but for an academic rules discussion or a written test it does.

I am agreeing with you. Overall this situation is a false double foul. The first two fouls of the situation create a false multiple foul, and the third foul of the situation create a false double foul overall.

[oatmealqueen]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by JRutledge
[B]Did the same official give both Technical Fouls?

2 different officials---


Then my next question is, why was Team A chirping? Were they talking to the official or a player on Team B?

They were talking to the official, but opposing player was near by.

[mdray]

a 13 minute huddle to make a decision on this?!

[Mark Dexter]

Originally posted by mdray
a 13 minute huddle to make a decision on this?!

I think that might be the "ugly" part of this.

Of course, apparently it took the refs 17 minutes to review a last second shot in an NBA game Fri/Sat night.

[Nevadaref]

Originally posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

I am agreeing with you. Overall this situation is a false double foul. The first two fouls of the situation create a false multiple foul, and the third foul of the situation create a false double foul overall.

Sorry for the confusion. I should have specified that I was directing that post to Mark DEXTER, not you MTD. Thanks for your points though. I agree with what you have written.