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[rsl]

Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap

You act as if it were a fact that he was an airborne shooter. Once he converted the ring to a chin-up bar, that time was passed.

If you call the T for hanging on the rim- not if you call an unsporting T for the contact.

As several pointed out, that is the rub exactly. The airborne shooter exception was not intended for this play, but technically applies. That is why I think either an unsporting T or an intentional personal would be OK. The penalties are nearly the same (inbound spot differs, and the T would count against rondo, but in both cases white get two shots and the ball), so I think you could reasonably sell either one.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by rsl

All 9 of those came before I was pointed out he was still an airborne shooter, which changed the whole direction of this thread pretty significantly. Count the ones after page one and you will see Nevada has a pretty good following.

And that should tell you something. The fact that multiple people did not even consider your scenario when at first glance is telling to me. Actually I seriously doubt that if I showed this play at a camp that more than one person would make the same observation.

Originally Posted by rsl

If you call the T for hanging on the rim- not if you call an unsporting T for the contact.

As several pointed out, that is the rub exactly. The airborne shooter exception was not intended for this play, but technically applies. That is why I think either an unsporting T or an intentional personal would be OK. The penalties are nearly the same (inbound spot differs, and the T would count against rondo, but in both cases white get two shots and the ball), so I think you could reasonably sell either one.

Again if the contact that took place even warranted a foul maybe that would be a good point or would technically apply. But that does not seem the case at all as no player was displace and even both players ended up on their feet (or one on the back of the other). It is hard to justify in my opinion a foul here other than an act that is unsporting by rule. And no one has been able to show that taunting is completely void of contact. Again it is not about the contact, it is about the fact Rondo tried to embarrass the opponent by getting on his shoulders. If he does not do that then there is nothing on this play, even hanging on the rim as he would be allowed to do that with someone under him.

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[rsl]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

And that should tell you something. The fact that multiple people did not even consider your scenario when at first glance is telling to me. Actually I seriously doubt that if I showed this play at a camp that more than one person would make the same observation.

Agreed. I said earlier that on the floor I would have called an unsporting T and would not have even noticed he was an airborne shooter.

But, once you do notice in a discussion about rules on an officiating forum, it does make a difference. And leads to ten pages of discussion...

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by rsl

Agreed. I said earlier that on the floor I would have called an unsporting T and would not have even noticed he was an airborne shooter.

But, once you do notice in a discussion about rules on an officiating forum, it does make a difference. And leads to ten pages of discussion...

Just because there are a certain number of pages does not mean that this discussion is completely relevant. If that was the case most of the things we talk about here no one would ever try to have an extended conversation about. And I certainly do not think there would be much discussion with the experienced officials I know about this topic. And they certainly would not be debating PC foul vs T very long that is for sure. Because someone that is well respected would mention common sense and this kind of discussion would be over. I think there are individuals making this more difficult, not a real debate of what the intent of the rules are in this area.

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