Whaddya got?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

True, but I don't actually think he really swung on the rim...at least nothing worthy of a T. I think that people are fixated on the fact that he landed on a player's back, that it appears the he's swinging like Tarzan on the rim. Like Rut said, if none of that happened, then I feel like 95% of us wouldn't think anything of his grabbing the rim.

You're right; if he swings like that and lands on the floor, I've got nothing since there was a player under him when he dunked. If he swung like that without a player under him, it's a T. The rule says he gets to prevent injury, so by purposefully landing on another player, he makes it clear that he was not grasping the ring to prevent injury.

I don't have my book handy, but I think this might also fit under taunting.

Another thought:
Live ball, A1 and B1 square off and start bumping chests in the middle of play.

Most of us would go with double Ts. The contact is incidental to the action earning the T.

[Camron Rust]

He hung long enough to rotate his body towards the other player. It was not a normal movement of dunking. If that is not a hang, then there is no such thing.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

He hung long enough to rotate his body towards the other player. It was not a normal movement of dunking. If that is not a hang, then there is no such thing.

Considering I see that very same action on many dunks and certainly dunks where a player has received an alley opp pass, then we are not calling a lot of Ts for this at all.

Peace

[APG]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

He hung long enough to rotate his body towards the other player. It was not a normal movement of dunking. If that is not a hang, then there is no such thing.

Really? The grasping on the rim didn't even register to me cause we see that kind of stuff on a regular basis and we're not T'ing it. IMO, the landing on the defender is skewing the preception of his "hanging" on the rim.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

Really? The grasping on the rim didn't even register to me cause we see that kind of stuff on a regular basis and we're not T'ing it. IMO, the landing on the defender is skewing the preception of his "hanging" on the rim.

If it weren't for the redirection to land on the other player's shoulders, it wouldn't cross my threshold to draw the whistle. But, when it was done to land on the other player, it would.

[APG]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

You're right; if he swings like that and lands on the floor, I've got nothing since there was a player under him when he dunked. If he swung like that without a player under him, it's a T. The rule says he gets to prevent injury, so by purposefully landing on another player, he makes it clear that he was not grasping the ring to prevent injury.

I don't have my book handy, but I think this might also fit under taunting.

Another thought:
Live ball, A1 and B1 square off and start bumping chests in the middle of play.

Most of us would go with double Ts. The contact is incidental to the action earning the T.

That's kind of my point...the actually grasping of the rim wasn't long enough to warrant a T. He doesn't IMO grasp the rim for any length of time and doesn't really "swing on the rim."

I feel like if a T is called here, then you could fit it under taunting like the play you mention. I feel like that's a much more accurate interpretation of this play rather than calling a T for grasping the rim. And I would call a double T in your situation like you suggest, but if we want to stick by the book, we should call a double foul since we can't call a T for live ball contact. Not saying I'd go that route, but it seems like some want to go strictly by the book