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Old Tue Jan 21, 2003, 01:41pm
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Question WHATTTT????

Our association generally makes the Trail responsible for the last second shot (See paragraph 282 in the mechanics manual)

We pregame this and talk to each other at the impending end of a quarter so the trail can be positioned with the shooter and the clock in front of him (work a switch if necessary).

Mark TD, was this a mistake or am I missing something? You want the Lead to be responsible for counting or waving off the last second shot? Pease explain.
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Old Tue Jan 21, 2003, 02:06pm
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Re: WHATTTT????

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Our association generally makes the Trail responsible for the last second shot (See paragraph 282 in the mechanics manual)

We pregame this and talk to each other at the impending end of a quarter so the trail can be positioned with the shooter and the clock in front of him (work a switch if necessary).

Mark TD, was this a mistake or am I missing something? You want the Lead to be responsible for counting or waving off the last second shot? Pease explain.
1) Why does the trail need the clock in front of him? I wouldn't force a switch.

2) You are correct that the machanic makes one person (T in 2-person, Opposite or C in 3-person) responsible for the last shot. I've often felt, as it looks like MTD does, that it should be the responsibility of the person who has on-ball coverage.

A similar situation occurs in games using the shot clock -- we don't "Change" the mechanic so one official is responsible for determining whether a shot got off in time. Why should we change the normal game mechanics for the last-second shot?
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Old Tue Jan 21, 2003, 04:04pm
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Maybe I didn't say it well.

The Trail wants to have the shooter visible and the clock somewhere in that same field of view behind the shooter so that both the winding-down clock and the shooter can be seen simultaneously - without head/eye movement.... Sometimes we need to negotiate a switch to accomplish this. IT is done in anticipation of the last shot and is done several seconds before the shot may occur - maybe as much as a minute before.
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Old Tue Jan 21, 2003, 09:51pm
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Re: WHATTTT????

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Originally posted by DownTownTonyBrown
Our association generally makes the Trail responsible for the last second shot (See paragraph 282 in the mechanics manual)

We pregame this and talk to each other at the impending end of a quarter so the trail can be positioned with the shooter and the clock in front of him (work a switch if necessary).

Mark TD, was this a mistake or am I missing something? You want the Lead to be responsible for counting or waving off the last second shot? Pease explain.

A1 has the ball deep in the Lead's corner. A1 shoots and the horns sounds. Who knows better than the Lead if the ball was still in A1's hand when the horn sounded. Why would you want the Trail to stop officiating his off-ball primary to look clear across the court to see if the ball was in or out of A1's hand at the buzzer. If the ball is still in A1's hand when the horn sounds, the Lead sounds his whistle. This tells the Trail and everybody else that the ball is dead. If A1 released the shot before the horn sounded the Lead does nothing. By not sounding his whistle he is telling the Trail that the ball is live and to take care of business regarding basket interference, goaltending, scoring the goal if it is good, and sounding his whistle when the ball finally does become dead.
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Old Tue Jan 21, 2003, 09:54pm
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Maybe I didn't say it well.

The Trail wants to have the shooter visible and the clock somewhere in that same field of view behind the shooter so that both the winding-down clock and the shooter can be seen simultaneously - without head/eye movement.... Sometimes we need to negotiate a switch to accomplish this. IT is done in anticipation of the last shot and is done several seconds before the shot may occur - maybe as much as a minute before.

I don't mean to sound like a smart alec, but where is it written that the Trail is to have the shooter visible and the clock somewhere in the same field of view behind the shooter. Switching to try to achieve some artificial alignment is not good practice. Just continue to officiate your primary and be aware of where the ball is and who has on-ball and off-ball duties.
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