Situation dealing with coaches. (Little long)

[Smoke]

I think you need to just get away from the injured player, because the first situation the coach could have been just saying I knew something like this would happen because it has been a rough game, he might not be disagreeeing with your calls

[refjef40]

Mn14 you sure hit home with my pet peeve.The next time a coach says your going to get someone hurt out here i'm going to sock him!I would have much more respect for a coach who told the truth and said hey I feel your missing some fouls against my team.

[mick]

Originally posted by refjef40
Mn14 you sure hit home with my pet peeve.The next time a coach says your going to get someone hurt out here i'm going to sock him!I would have much more respect for a coach who told the truth and said hey I feel your missing some fouls against my team.

refjef40,
Then, ... do you "Whack!" him cuz it means the same thing?
mick

[Hawks Coach]

Originally posted by refjef40
Mn14 you sure hit home with my pet peeve.The next time a coach says your going to get someone hurt out here i'm going to sock him!I would have much more respect for a coach who told the truth and said hey I feel your missing some fouls against my team.

Please understand that we are coaching kids that we like, and now we see them getting bounced around a court. I am a little more tolerant than most coaches in my group about physical play, but no coach wants to see his players hurt. And yes, we also enter with a bias, so we aren't as likely to see that our players are contributing to the physical play. So yeah, when we say it's getting rough, we are more likely than not seeing the game with some blinders on and only seeing that their players are banging up our players.

That said, I can't understand why this remark gets to you so badly. The impulse to want a foul called when your players are hitting the deck is far less objectionable in my mind than asking for travelling or 3 seconds.

My personal objection to remarks like these is that they aren't very helpful (just as telling your players "don't turn the ball over isn't useful - tell them something that helps prevent the turnover!). If I am upset about something, it will rarely be one missed call, but usually will be the fact that their center is setting illegal picks (e.g., shoving my players on a screen) on every possession, or their point guard shoves off every time she makes a move around her defender. If I have an objection about rough play, it will be specific as to who is doing it and what they are doing. Anything else is stupid, but also pretty harmless.

[mnref14]

Coach and Fellow Officials -

My main point is and was this: When a coach states to you - "Clean it up, I don't want to see anyone get hurt." It seems to me that the coach is insinuating that I, as an official, don't care if anyone gets hurt. That is nonsense.

I'll even be more honest here, in High School Girls Basketball often and Boys as well - sometimes the play can be clumsy - 2 or more players will be fighting over loose balls - tie-ups, etc. Often times someone in that pile-up may come up hurt - its not necessarily a foul - its awkward, gangly players being awkward and gangly. 9 times out of 10 you'll either have a Coach or a loving Father in the stands lose their cool. Its not the referee's fault, don't place the blame on us; none of us will let purposely harmful players get away with dirty, cheap fouls.

I've been reading this board for a week, and a lot of officials' here are working 7th and 8th grade ball - fans, coaches, and officials at these games need to realize, that despite a ref's best efforts - these games can easily become a Train Wreck. Games at this level are often times tougher to work than the College games I work, players at that age are often out of control and coaches may be coaching at that level just to fill a spot. I admire you men and women who are willing to work hard at getting better at your craft and give these kids a good game - keep up the good work, no matter how unappreciated you are!!!

[John Schaefferkoetter]

Hi Jerry, hope you had a great holiday.

This is my input, for what it is worth. I totally agree with the other posters about getting away from the injured player and coach. If you gave the stop sign the first time, then there is no more toleration. In that situation, if he is chirping at you prior to attending the injured player, let him attend the player. Once the player is off the floor, take the "t" to the table for the coaches unsportsmanlike conduct. He will be totally shocked, but oh well!!!

We are not going to allow these coaches to do this crap.
I am curious to whom these coaches are so I can be on alert with the other officials. Can you email me [email protected]

Keep up the great work Jerry, your counterparts are speaking very highly of you. I will catch up to you soon.

regards,
John