Referee to the end - UConn v Butler

[Indianaref]

Originally Posted by 7IronRef

Did anyone else notice that with about 1.5 seconds left in the game that the UConn player, who was holding the ball waiting for time to expire, picked up his dribble and jumped coming back to the floor with the ball?

Everyone wanted a pound of flesh from Burr and company. I wonder what Adams thought.

Pretty sure we will see those two plays next year at the preseason meetings. Referee until the end.

Hey 7iron, you should have used a 5 iron because you are way short on this.

[7IronRef]

The officials get evaluated on every game. They review every play and get scores based on correct call and incorrect calls. It is likely it will be pointed out to them.

I agree it would have been OOO, agree that there is a difference between the two games, and I AGREE WITH THE NO-CALL (I would not have called it either).

I was just stating that I think the message will be referee to the end and there are two plays that might be used to get the message across. John Adams likes to make sure the message is clear.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by 7IronRef

The officials get evaluated on every game. They review every play and get scores based on correct call and incorrect calls. It is likely it will be pointed out to them.

I agree it would have been OOO, agree that there is a difference between the two games, and I AGREE WITH THE NO-CALL (I would not have called it either).

I was just stating that I think the message will be referee to the end and there are two plays that might be used to get the message across. John Adams likes to make sure the message is clear.

I think Adams has plenty of video in the Burr/Higgins/Walton game, he won't need to use this video. Otherwise, you'll start seeing officials make this call. BNR's right, if anything, it'll be a coaching memo to get the players to stop making the officials have to make this decision. If that doesn't work; maybe then he'll want this call made.

Maybe, but doubtful.

[grunewar]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

BNR's right, if anything, it'll be a coaching memo to get the players to stop making the officials have to make this decision. If that doesn't work; maybe then he'll want this call made.

Maybe, but doubtful.

but not the first time I've seen it.

Heck I've seen players put the ball on their hip and go shake hands or hug their opponent with the last few ticks just a tickin away.........

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by 7IronRef

The officials get evaluated on every game. They review every play and get scores based on correct call and incorrect calls. It is likely it will be pointed out to them.

I agree it would have been OOO, agree that there is a difference between the two games, and I AGREE WITH THE NO-CALL (I would not have called it either).

I was just stating that I think the message will be referee to the end and there are two plays that might be used to get the message across. John Adams likes to make sure the message is clear.

It might and it might not. But I do not think anyone is going to go crazy over this not being called either. The game is over and the game was not in question. Maybe if the game was on the line yes, but it was not. I doubt this even makes a memo or a video in any way. If anything it might be said directly to the official at hand, but I doubt a big deal will be made out of it in any way.

Peace

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

It might and it might not. But I do not think anyone is going to go crazy over this not being called either. The game is over and the game was not in question. Maybe if the game was on the line yes, but it was not. I doubt this even makes a memo or a video in any way. If anything it might be said directly to the official at hand, but I doubt a big deal will be made out of it in any way.

When I watched it live, I did give it a few seconds of thought, and figured, "Well. The game's over". Thus, I have no problem with the no-call. Lopsided game. Only a few seconds left.

However. Same lopsided score. How much time has to be left to make this violation call? Five seconds? Seven seconds? Ten seconds? Twelve seconds?

[tref]

Let's not put a time limit on this... experience will tell us when to blow, just like any other game management decisions we make night to night.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by tref

let's not put a time limit on this... Experience will tell us when to blow, just like any other game management decisions we make night to night.

+1 No need to over analyze this; an old dog told me that once.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by 7IronRef

The officials get evaluated on every game. They review every play and get scores based on correct call and incorrect calls. It is likely it will be pointed out to them.

I agree it would have been OOO, agree that there is a difference between the two games, and I AGREE WITH THE NO-CALL (I would not have called it either).

I was just stating that I think the message will be referee to the end and there are two plays that might be used to get the message across. John Adams likes to make sure the message is clear.

Not likely. Any evaluator worth their salt will commend them for making a good decision to not call it.

As someone else said, right call, wrong time. Too may want to lose sight of the big picture and make calls without considering the context of the situation.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by Indianaref

Hey 7iron, you should have used a 5 iron because you are way short on this.

LMAO! Fantastic.

[tref]

Instead of us wondering if Mr. Adams liked the no-call or not, lets just ask big jake what he said.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by tref

Instead of us wondering if Mr. Adams liked the no-call or not, lets just ask big jake what he said.

[Mark Padgett]

I worked a HS rec game just last month with a guy who made an almost identical call. Team A was up by 15 with about two seconds to go and A1 traveled in much the same manner as what happened in the UConn - Butler game. After the game, I asked him if he thought it was necessary to make that call and I thought his answer was very thoughtful. He said it was "automatic". He explained that his brain just automatically reacts to seeing a travel regardless of the game situation and he can't help but blow his whistle.

[tref]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

He said it was "automatic". He explained that his brain just automatically reacts to seeing a travel regardless of the game situation and he can't help but blow his whistle.

Thats unfortunate

Its better to respond than react. Apparently at the higher levels, game managment (time, score & situation) does play into what call is or isnt made.
We were provided with a great example of that last night.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by tref

Its better to respond than react. Apparently at the higher levels, game managment (time, score & situation) does play into what call is or isnt made.
We were provided with a great example of that last night.

To me, this is like the ability to reach out of your area when you need to. It comes with experience. As the game itself slows down for an official, he/she becomes more capable of making these decisions on the fly.