Referee to the end - UConn v Butler

[7IronRef]

Originally Posted by grunewar

I saw it.

What are you going to do, blow your whitstle and call a travel?

C'mon, man.

I hear what you are saying, but Adams has made it clear. If it is a violation at the beginning of the game, it is a violation at the end.

No one is complaining (including me), but if he doesn't hold them accountable, I would believe that Burr & Co would be wondering why they were reprimanded for not calling a travel/OOB and not last nights crew.

We are getting to the point where everyone demands that all things are treated equally.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by 7IronRef

I hear what you are saying, but Adams has made it clear. If it is a violation at the beginning of the game, it is a violation at the end.

No one is complaining (including me), but if he doesn't hold them accountable, I would believe that Burr & Co would be wondering why they were reprimanded for not calling a travel/OOB and not last nights crew.

We are getting to the point where everyone demands that all things are treated equally.

I think Burr and company would recognize there's a difference between a travel with 1.5 seconds left in a 2 point game and a travel with 1.5 seconds left in a 12 point game.

I doubt they're juvenile enough to respond with, "Hey, but look at what they did!"

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

I think Burr and company would recognize there's a difference between a travel with 1.5 seconds left in a 2 point game and a travel with 1.5 seconds left in a 12 point game.

That is the important factor. The context must be considered.

Last night neither Butler nor Connecticut cared about those last few seconds. In the Big East tournament Rutgers and St. John's were still playing.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by 7IronRef

We are getting to the point where everyone demands that all things are treated equally.

"Everyone" or you?

That would be the absolute apex of OOO imo.

We also are at the point where a little common sense is needed too. There is absolutely NO comparison between the two situations. One affected the game; the other one if called wouldn't even affect the point spread, let alone anything else. I doubt very much whether Adams has even thought of whether a violation should have been called in that particular circumstance.

[JRutledge]

Seriously????

Peace

[GoodwillRef]

Originally Posted by 7IronRef

I hear what you are saying, but Adams has made it clear. If it is a violation at the beginning of the game, it is a violation at the end.

No one is complaining (including me), but if he doesn't hold them accountable, I would believe that Burr & Co would be wondering why they were reprimanded for not calling a travel/OOB and not last nights crew.

We are getting to the point where everyone demands that all things are treated equally.

Reprimanded...? Didn't Burr work the NCAA tournament?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by GoodwillRef

Reprimanded...? Didn't Burr work the NCAA tournament?

The whole crew from the Rutgers game was removed from doing games for the rest of the Big East's tournament schedule.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

The whole crew from the Rutgers game was removed from doing games for the rest of the Big East's tournament schedule.

But Burr did get 2 games in the NCAA Tournament.

Higgins received no games but he may not have been receiving any games anyway.

Walton didn't get any NCAA games after working the last couple years. But he did some NIT games.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

But Burr did get 2 games in the NCAA Tournament.

Higgins received no games but he may not have been receiving any games anyway.

Walton didn't get any NCAA games after working the last couple years. But he did some NIT games.

None of which fall under the purview of the Big East leadership. They were "punished" by the Big East for what happened in a Big East game.

Plus, Adams gave a sort of verbal reprimand. Well, more of a finger wag, but still....

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Walton didn't get any NCAA games after working the last couple years. But he did some NIT games.

He also worked a Big Ten tournament game after he left NYC.

[GoodwillRef]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

The whole crew from the Rutgers game was removed from doing games for the rest of the Big East's tournament schedule.

I understand...but that had nothing to do with John Adams.

[rulesmaven]

I think it was Shows who passed on the travel. If he'd acted reflexively and called it, no gripe. But do you really want to make the Butler kids have to walk back across the floor to take a meaingless inbounds when the other team is already celebrating? Seems kind of cruel.

[tref]

Originally Posted by rulesmaven

I think it was Shows who passed on the travel. If he'd acted reflexively and called it, no gripe. But do you really want to make the Butler kids have to walk back across the floor to take a meaingless inbounds when the other team is already celebrating? Seems kind of cruel.

Good point, I guess thats why they dont just let anybody work those games.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by tref

Good point, I guess thats why they dont just let anybody work those games.

Too bad. I could really have used the money.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by tref

Good point, I guess thats why they dont just let anybody work those games.

There's some rule in FED, and I think in NCAA, that a game can be shortened if both coaches and the R agree.

The actions of the game indicate that's what happened, even if the clock operator didn't quite get the message.