I'm friends with Darci and know Todd...the way you described the crews it sounded a little too familiar. In addition, I work at Trinity in San Antonio and our women's coach was on-site and responsible for evaluating all the crews. Just thought I'd pass this along...she told me that all the games were called great and all the crews were extremely professional.

Again, congrats!
Jake

Thank you...Todd and Darci - and all the others - are great people, and it was an honor to get to know them... I met the coach at the pre-tourny meeting...thanks for passing along the info...it was a lot of fun there...

Re: Re: If you want to look at it that way.
 

No, that is what they call sarcasm.

<b>Did you say for the most part?</b> Then there were different rules applications between these states? Or are you saying that that each state had to change what was in the NF Rulebook directly in order to make that clear for you? So I guess when Iowa decides to do a coin flip at the beginning of girls games, that is not a rule change? Or is a rules difference only what you say they are? Because someone told me that the rules allowed for officials to wear belted pants, but if you live around me and in the area I live, I guess you can wear them, but you might stand out and not be precieved very well. Is that a rule, or is that a mechanic or just a "regional practice?" I just want to know, some like to say everything is a rule, even when it has no bearing on the game.

I also do not know if your state told you to allow insulin pumps, religious clothing and religious headwear, regardless of NF Rules. The IHSA told us to allow them and the NF rulebook says nothing about allowing insulin pumps, sweats, headgear not specifically stated in the rulebook and to allow Jewish headgear with pins? Did your state tell you to do that? How many schools all over the country have entirely Jewish communities? Well we have several and we were specifically instructed by the State thru our personal websites, not to use NF Rules as it relates to these specific religious clothing. Funny, the only thing the NF allows as it relates to religious clothes or markings is a necklace, taped to a jersey. I have never read anything about wearing a Yameca(sp?). Or a Muslim player wearing her head dress while playing a game or during warmups. Maybe you know something I do not about all the rules differences.

Good examples. I have never worked in any of those states. Nor have I ever talked face to face with officials that work in those states. But I have worked with and been around officials that work in Wisconsin, Iowa, Indiana and Missouri. There are not many, but there are some rules difference on what they feel is unsportsmanlike that results in a T or what they do before the game. Just because they do not list them in the NF Rulebook, does not mean it is not a rule they have to follow. But you would know.

Peace

Re: Re: Re: If you want to look at it that way.
 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by JRutledge Rut -

What one official "feels is unsportsmanlike" will certainly differ from that of another official. What the rule book says, however, is pretty simple.

Interpretations certainly differ from region to region, but the rules are the rules. E.g., your assignor might tell you not to call 3-seconds, but that doesn't mean that it's not still a rule. All that means is your assignor has decided to ignore a rule that is clearly in place.

Your association also may have some ADDITIONAL rules in place to deal with certain religious situations, but that doesn't have anything to do with what you do or do not call on the court.

A three-point attempt still must originate behind the three-point line (unless of course your assignor tells you that if a shooter has his/her foot on the line you will call that a 3-pointer in that league). Hey, my assignor said to do it, I don't care if it's right for the game or right for the kids, that's what I'm going to do.

On a side note...have you ever admitted to a coach that you kicked a call? have you ever told a coach, "You may be right"? have you ever asked a partner at half-time about a particularly tough call you had?

just curious.

humbly ready to learn from RUT the master ref,
jt

Re: Re: Re: Re: If you want to look at it that way.
 

This is not about what the NF wants. The NF has it's rules, our state has their own as it relates to what the NF wants. And our State goes a bit further than the NF does, who cares what the NF wants. I have license in the State of Illinois, not for the NF. ;)

Now that cannot happen can it? I thought you told me that I ignored rules based on <b>my own way of thinking?</b> Now you are telling me that an assignor can tell official's to ignore rules? I guess that makes sense.

<b>This is not based on an association.</b> This was information give directly from the <b>Illinois High School Association.</b> They players even had letters directly from the <b>State of Illinois</b> allowing them to wear religious material that is not stated in the NF Rulebook. As a matter of fact, the NF is very explicit in not allowing any <b>Head decorations and headwear.</b> Read Rule 5-2. I guess the State of Illinois decided to ignore the NF and their rules.


Well Iowa has not Jump Ball, but a coin flip. I guess they do not have the right to come up with their own start of a basketball game?

Why don't you read every single post I have ever made? You seem to know everything else about me, you tell me if what have done throughtout my entire career. You seem to know all my philosophies or my application of rules. Better yet, why don't I just brag about my test scores for the past 5 years. That might prove what kind of official I am since test score are how assignors give us games. You tell me? You are all knowing because you worked in Maryland and especially Texas. :rolleyes: I have a better question, how many D1 players are from those two states as compared to mine?

Peace

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: If you want to look at it that way.
 

i have read about 500 posts from you. most of which involve telling other people why they are wrong and why you are right. which is why i asked those questions to you at the end of my last post. since you refuse to answer those questions, my only assumption can be that the answer to all those questions is no.

as for your question regarding number of d-I players from MD and TX compared to IL...well, i guess i don't really care enough about the answer to begin to research it.

my last post on the subject,
jt

By George, I think he has got it.
 

I do not care what you or others do. You have to find your own way in officiating. You must not read very well, because if you had, I always talk about what we do in my State. I always make that point so that no a single person can say there is only one way (I see you did not pick up on it). No matter what we talk about, there is always more than one route to the mountain top. You have to choose your way. ;)

That is the smartest thing you have said to date. But you are the expert on what every state does as it relates to the rules, I thought you would know how many D1 players we officiate in our area. ;)

Thank you Lord Jesus!!!! :D

Peace

Re: Here we go again!
 

This was information give directly from the <b>Illinois High School Association.</b> They players even had letters directly from the <b>State of Illinois</b> allowing them to wear religious material that is not stated in the NF Rulebook. As a matter of fact, the NF is very explicit in not allowing any <b>Head decorations and headwear.</b> Read Rule 5-2. I guess the State of Illinois decided to ignore the NF and their rules.

[/B][/QUOTE]The applicable NFHS rule is R3-5-2. Exception 1 of that rule specifically states that "State associations may on an individual basis allow a player to participate while wearing a head covering if it meets the following criteria:" Section(b) states that a state association may approve headwear for religious reasons. The IHSAA has followed the explicit instructions contained in this RULE!

Your above statement that this is not stated in the NF rulebook and the NF will not allow headwear is completely wrong!

Btw, R5-2 has to do with scoring.

On, now you've done it JR...now Rut's gonna take his ball and go home! Oh well...can I buy you a brownpop now???

Rocky,do you think I should give him the bad news that "sweats" are also covered in the rulebook,contrary to another of his preceding posts saying that there's also no rule covering them?:D That must be a surprise to whoever wrote casebook play 3.5.5SitB.

I have a proposition for you.
 

When I move to Washington or Western Austrailia, I will do what you think is right and wrong as it relates to NF Rules and Rules making process. ;)

Peace

When was it put in the Casebook?
 

Oh, JR, this was a rather new play in the casebook. Our Executive Director is on the NF Basketball Committee. This was an issue before this year It would not surprise me that this is in the rulebook. Ya think this might have been discussed in their meeting? Ya think that the Editor that comes from our state, might have had a conversation about this situation with people or executives from our state? I will let you tell me. :rolleyes:

I do not see a play specifically stated about an insulin pump, but I am sure you will find one.

Peace

Re: When was it put in the Casebook?
 

Oh, JR, this was a rather new play in the casebook. Our Executive Director is on the NF Basketball Committee. This was an issue before this year It would not surprise me that this is in the rulebook. Ya think this might have been discussed in their meeting? Ya think that the Editor that comes from our state, might have had a conversation about this situation with people or executives from our state? I will let you tell me. :rolleyes:

I do not see a play specifically stated about an insulin pump, but I am sure you will find one.

Peace [/B][/QUOTE]I will be glad to tell you. Your specific quote above is "The IHSA told us to allow them and the NF rulebook says nothing about allowing insulin pumps,sweats....". That quote is as wrong as your other quotes about religious headgear not being covered either.It is obvious that there ARE rules covering these things.It is also obvious that you were not aware of those rules.

Btw,insulin pumps are covered by the first sentence of R3-5 and the 3 criteria used in casebook play 3.5SitA.

Re: I have a proposition for you.
 

No you wouldn't...you would still make dumb-a** excuses for the things you screw-up on...and JR, it's still only ONE brown-pop, no matter how many times you prove him wrong...you gotta drive home afterwards, you know...

Re: Re: I have a proposition for you.
 

I'm waiting for Oz to come in now and give him the bad news that western Australia uses FIBA rules and not NF rules.:D