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Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Mon Apr 04, 2011 04:55pm
The Spread Arms Mechanic
 
The Spread Arms Mechanic is the dumbest mechanic/signal in all of sports.

When I first learned the profession of officiating basketball (in the ancient days), the first thing I was taught is that you have nothing until you have something.

If an official is waving his arm in a counting manner it means that he does have a Closely Guarded Situation; if he is NOT waving his arm in a counting manner it means that he does NOT have a Closely Guarded Situation.

I have not ever used the signal in all of my years as a college and high school official. I remember the first year the the NCAA Men's/Women's Committee adopted the mechanic. I was officaiting a women's game and a HC wanted a Five Second call and during a TO wanted to know why I didn't spread my arms to show I didn't have a CGS. I told him that I visually count when I have CGS. If I don't have a CGS I won't be spreading my arms because I don't need to be visually counting. He gave me the deer caught in the headlights look and then the light bulb went on in his head (I don;t know who turned it on because nobody was home, LOL), and the replied that he understood what I was saying, which was as scarey thought.

MTD, Sr.

7IronRef Mon Apr 04, 2011 05:02pm
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Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. (Post 746787)
When I first learned the profession of officiating basketball (in the ancient days), the first thing I was taught is that you have nothing until you have something.

MTD, Sr.
That goes for every no call/call :rolleyes:

Adam Mon Apr 04, 2011 05:04pm
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Originally Posted by 7IronRef (Post 746790)
That goes for every no call/call :rolleyes:
Yep, the same concept applies to the incipid foul-tip mechanic on blocked shots.

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Mon Apr 04, 2011 05:10pm
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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 746791)
Yep, the same concept applies to the incipid foul-tip mechanic on blocked shots.

Everytime I have a partner do that I ask him of he umpires baseball or softball? When he asks why I ask him if the catcher caught the ball for a foul tip. LOL

MTD, Sr.

BillyMac Mon Apr 04, 2011 06:03pm
Is Pope Benedict XVI Catholic ???
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. (Post 746785)
I am late to this thread.
So what else is new?

APG Mon Apr 04, 2011 06:10pm
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Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. (Post 746787)
The Spread Arms Mechanic is the dumbest mechanic/signal in all of sports.
It's a mechanic to convey information and I see absolutely no problem with it.

Adam Mon Apr 04, 2011 06:43pm
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Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer (Post 746819)
It's a mechanic to convey information and I see absolutely no problem with it.
I don't have a problem with it so much as I see no real need for it. Have I used it? Yeah, when the defender was standing 6.1 feet away from the ball handler.

APG Mon Apr 04, 2011 06:49pm
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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 746831)
I don't have a problem with it so much as I see no real need for it. Have I used it? Yeah, when the defender was standing 6.1 feet away from the ball handler.
I like the signal...tells that coach that "Yes, you're defender is attempting to get a count and I see that, but in my opinion he's not close enough." A simple signal that takes all of one second, that can take care of a potential problem with a coach.

Raymond Mon Apr 04, 2011 07:07pm
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Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. (Post 746785)
I am late to this thread but:

NFHS and NCAA Men's: six (6) feet while dribbling or holding the ball in the Front Court (FC).

FIBA and NCAA Women's: three (3) feet while holding the ball anywhere on the Playing Court (both Front and Back Court). Note: BC = Back Court.

The NCAA Women's rule was a FIBA adoption holdover from the NAGWS Rules. FIBA has continued to have the rule apply to the entire Playing Court even after it adopted the Ten Second Backcourt Rule (subsequently reduced to eight seconds when the NBA/WNBA went to eight seconds); the Ten/Eight Second Back Rule is a fairly recent adoption by FIBA.

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So in FIBA you can have 2 different counts going on at one time :eek:

APG Mon Apr 04, 2011 07:12pm
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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 746846)
So in FIBA you can have 2 different counts going on at one time :eek:
I believe FIBA games use a shot clock and use that for the backcourt count.

Jurassic Referee Mon Apr 04, 2011 07:14pm
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Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer (Post 746840)
I like the signal...tells that coach that "Yes, you're defender is attempting to get a count and I see that, but in my opinion he's not close enough." A simple signal that takes all of one second, that can take care of a potential problem with a coach.
+1

It's another tool to be used when needed. Informational signal.

BillyMac Mon Apr 04, 2011 07:48pm
Not Closely Guarded ...
 
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Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee (Post 746851)
Informational signal.
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5303/...11094434_m.jpg

Optional signal in the IAABO Manual. Mandatory here in the Constitution State.

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Mon Apr 04, 2011 08:39pm
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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 746846)
So in FIBA you can have 2 different counts going on at one time :eek:

Yes.

MTD, Sr.

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Mon Apr 04, 2011 08:40pm
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Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer (Post 746819)
It's a mechanic to convey information and I see absolutely no problem with it.

As I said before, you have nothing until you have something and if I am not doing anything it means I have nothing. Pretty easy way to convey information if you ask me.

MTD, Sr.

Raymond Mon Apr 04, 2011 08:45pm
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Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. (Post 746894)
Yes, and also in NCAA Women's.

MTD, Sr.
What 2 simultaneous counts could one official have in NCAA-W?


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