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APG Thu Mar 31, 2011 05:58pm
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Originally Posted by Mark Padgett (Post 745620)
I do agree with those of you who feel that if you have a shot clock, there's no need to have a 10 second back court rule, so maybe we can include the five second rule in that same argument.
I don't agree with getting rid of the 10 second count. If you have a shot clock I actually believe we should make it a hard count like the NBA rather than start a new count if the ball goes out of bounds or the coach/player buys his team out of a violation and calls for timeout.

JRutledge Thu Mar 31, 2011 08:49pm
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Originally Posted by rfp (Post 745582)
I've noticed repeatedly that in order to maintain the closely guarded count, the defender has to be almost on top of the offensive player. If he's 4-6' away, officials almost exclusively give the "safe" sign. Seems like no one has any interest in adhering to this rule.
You are really upset by this?

I hope when those come to watch your games they can see any little thing you do not call (by there standard).

Peace

BillyMac Thu Mar 31, 2011 09:13pm
This Guy Has Got It Down Pat ...
 
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Originally Posted by BktBallRef (Post 745614)
"Safe" sign?
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JRutledge Thu Mar 31, 2011 11:20pm
O......M........Goooooooooodddddddddd!!!!!!!

Peace

APG Thu Mar 31, 2011 11:24pm
BillyMac...this is the one time I'm glad you actually posted a video. I thought we had lost that gem of a video forever whenever the uploader made it private. :D

GoodwillRef Fri Apr 01, 2011 05:19am
This video just made my Friday morning.....!:)

BillyMac Fri Apr 01, 2011 06:43am
Today's Lesson Class: The Not Closely Guarded Signal ...
 
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Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer (Post 745737)
BillyMac, this is the one time I'm glad you actually posted a video. I thought we had lost that gem of a video forever whenever the uploader made it private.
It's educational, how to properly execute the not closely guarded signal.

grunewar Fri Apr 01, 2011 08:01am
Absolutely!
 
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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 745779)
It's educational, how to properly execute the not closely guarded signal.
Especially when the players are about 10-15' apart. But, he gets right on it when they get close doesn't he?!

Thanks for sharing.

26 Year Gap Fri Apr 01, 2011 09:40am
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Originally Posted by rfp (Post 745609)
Yikes! This forum is usually focused on making rulings by the book, not based on what people tune in to see. Nobody is tuning in to see 3-seconds violations or fouls 94-feet from the basket with 0.7 seconds left. That doesn't mean they don't get called.

But that's really my observation. It certainly looks as if officials have been told not to make this kind of call. I also agree it's less necessary in college than NFHS due to the shot clock, but it's still a NCAA-M rule. If they're not going to call it, change the distance like NCAA-W or do away with it?

And it's not a comment about the quality of the officiating overall, just something I noticed on this situation specifically.
The people who attend games and yell "3 Seconds" beg to disagree.

ref2coach Fri Apr 01, 2011 10:02am
He is a clown. Were I in his association I would block him. I would not want to be on the same court with anyone working so hard to draw attention to himself.

Raymond Fri Apr 01, 2011 10:10am
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Originally Posted by rfp (Post 745609)
Yikes! This forum is usually focused on making rulings by the book, not based on what people tune in to see. Nobody is tuning in to see 3-seconds violations or fouls 94-feet from the basket with 0.7 seconds left. That doesn't mean they don't get called.

But that's really my observation. It certainly looks as if officials have been told not to make this kind of call. I also agree it's less necessary in college than NFHS due to the shot clock, but it's still a NCAA-M rule. If they're not going to call it, change the distance like NCAA-W or do away with it?

And it's not a comment about the quality of the officiating overall, just something I noticed on this situation specifically.

I agree with you that 6' closely doesn't seemed to be monitored with the same dilegence we are asked to do at the HS level.

But apparently the NCAA is not too concerned with this particular call as I've never seen it emphasized at any college-level venue I've been a part of.

APG Fri Apr 01, 2011 10:10am
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Originally Posted by ref2coach (Post 745845)
He is a clown. Were I in his association I would block him. I would not want to be on the same court with anyone working so hard to draw attention to himself.
It's definitely an exercise in what NOT to do. I'd probably be weary if I had to work a game with an official as...umm..."individual" as such.

rfp Fri Apr 01, 2011 12:14pm
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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 745704)
You are really upset by this?

I hope when those come to watch your games they can see any little thing you do not call (by there standard).

Peace
Who said anything about being upset? It's an observation, not about one official, but about NCAA M officials across the board, leading me to conclude that it must be specifically discouraged at that level. I've never heard that, thus my post. Some appear to agree.

rockyroad Fri Apr 01, 2011 12:32pm
In no way am I trying to speak for the officials working the tournaments, but what I was always instructed to do was to not have a CG count unless there was active guarding going on...in other words, just because there is a member of the other team standing there within 6 feet, does not mean we have a CG count. Many of the situations I have seen in the tournament would fall into that category.

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Mon Apr 04, 2011 04:42pm
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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 745600)
NCAAW or NCAAM ???

I am late to this thread but:

NFHS and NCAA Men's: six (6) feet while dribbling or holding the ball in the Front Court (FC).

FIBA and NCAA Women's: three (3) feet while holding the ball anywhere on the Playing Court (both Front and Back Court). Note: BC = Back Court.

The NCAA Women's rule was a FIBA adoption holdover from the NAGWS Rules. FIBA has continued to have the rule apply to the entire Playing Court even after it adopted the Ten Second Backcourt Rule (subsequently reduced to eight seconds when the NBA/WNBA went to eight seconds); the Ten/Eight Second Back Rule is a fairly recent adoption by FIBA.

Regarding both NFHS and NCAA Men's I would rather see the rule be three feet while holding the ball only in the FC.

MTD, Sr.


History Lesson: NAGWS stands for the National Association for Girls and Women in Sports. This organization still exists and use to right the rules for many sports played by girls and women at the high school and college level. The NAGWS Basketball Rules were the precurser to the NCAA Women's Basketball Rules Committee.


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