Where to bounce pass the ball....

[mick]

Originally posted by Rich Fronheiser


What's next? Elimination of the bird dog?

Oops! Oh yeah, ... the bird dog.
I keep forgetting to that.

[Kelvin green]

To answer micks question

32 is 3 on the right hand and two on the left. ( that way when the scorer sees them, they read left to right.

When a number like 8 is used largest number is usually on the right hand so 8 and 53 look identical. Scorekeepers keep track of this pretty easily especially when you yell the number.

[BktBallRef]

Originally posted by mick
Tony,
I have always wondered:

Is it 51 or 15?

Is it 35, 53 or 8?
What are the rules of "Thumb" for using both hands.

mick

Right hand is 10s, left hand is ones. Try it in the miirror and you'll see what the scorer sees.

Originally posted by Mark Dexter
You mean the signal, right, not the clock stoppage itself?

Yep! My bad!

[Rich]

Right hand is 10s, left hand is ones. Try it in the miirror and you'll see what the scorer sees.

Actually, that won't work. The numbers will be backwards.

Rich

[ChuckElias]

Originally posted by Rich Fronheiser
What's next? Elimination of the bird dog?

You mean people still do that?!?!

Chuck

[Rich]

....it's a point of emphasis this year (using proper NFHS mechanics) so I've been trying. Really.

The one mechanic I do use that I know isn't in the book is on a player control foul. I do come up with the fist first (since going straight to the back of the head is asking for trouble if your partner comes up with a block), but then as I put my hand to the back of my head, I punch forward with my other hand.

This mechanic is actually recommended in the 2-man guidebook put out by Referee magazine, but is not a FED mechanic.

I completely blow it on the non-player control "offensive" fouls, where part of the signal for me includes the fist. I had a lob pass play this Saturday where the receiving player created separation with a nifty little push-off, and up I came with the fist. Bad Rich :-(

I'm trying to get out of the habit, but it's not as easy as it sounds :-)

Rich

[kmref]

Backcourt end line with pressure, I try to never bounce.

When the ball is being put inbounds in the backcourt, bouncing the ball gives you the ability to pickup players away from the ball. You get a better angle to get competitive matchups especially when there is full court pressure. Even though you have a partner(s) you still will be able to achieve a better angle to officiate.

[DownTownTonyBrown]

I'm not understanding .... Rich, shouldn't all foul calls begin with the fist (signal #5) and then be followed with the appropriate foul signal (#'s 7 through 15).

On player control, showing direction with the left hand is very very common. I thought it was style points. I see the college officials doing it for nearly all offensive fouls - perhaps they have a different mechanic than NFHS?

[mick]

Originally posted by Rich Fronheiser
....it's a point of emphasis this year (using proper NFHS mechanics) so I've been trying. Really.

The one mechanic I do use that I know isn't in the book is on a player control foul. I do come up with the fist first (since going straight to the back of the head is asking for trouble if your partner comes up with a block), but then as I put my hand to the back of my head, I punch forward with my other hand.

This mechanic is actually recommended in the 2-man guidebook put out by Referee magazine, but is not a FED mechanic.

I completely blow it on the non-player control "offensive" fouls, where part of the signal for me includes the fist. I had a lob pass play this Saturday where the receiving player created separation with a nifty little push-off, and up I came with the fist. Bad Rich :-(

I'm trying to get out of the habit, but it's not as easy as it sounds :-)

Rich

Rich,
I'm envious. I wish I had that incorrect mechanic down as well as you seem to have it.
I'm working on it.
mick

[Rich]

....many officials do not come up with the fist first on player control fouls. They go straight to the back of the head or simply come up with a fist in the opposite direction (like they do on TV). That was my point.

Anyhow, how many people come up with a fist before calling a technical foul? That is also the "proper mechanic" according to the book.

Rich

[Mark Dexter]

Originally posted by Rich Fronheiser

Anyhow, how many people come up with a fist before calling a technical foul? That is also the "proper mechanic" according to the book.

Rich

I actually did that once . . . looked and felt like a complete moron.

Okay, okay - more moronic than usual!

[williebfree]

I DO raise the fist first, pause briefly and then bring it down to the back of the head and punch the fist out with the other hand (usually a fist w/ L hand, punch with the R hand)

I find that this deliberate action allows me some addition time to process the play in my head....

[Rich]

....but do you raise a fist on a technical foul? That's the question now

Rich
(Who did not raise his fist in calling a technical Friday night)

[williebfree]

A Tech gets an emphatic "over-the-head windmill" sweep....

[Rich]

....T coaches by putting a hand on top of his middle finger. Sigh.