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Judtech Fri Mar 25, 2011 09:55am
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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 743666)
The way I see the replay, he throws the pass and immediately realizes the defender has a clear path. He throws himself into that defender to clog up the path.

Great call from the C.
I think it was a great play. Other terms used would be "crafty" "Cagey" "Grizzled Veteran move".
Foul. Sure. But I bet 9 times out of 10 you'd get away with it.
(I can neither confirm nor deny actually participating in such a manner:))

Raymond Fri Mar 25, 2011 09:55am
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Originally Posted by CLH (Post 743681)
ya know what, you're completely right man, how dare me try to make a joke of such a serious moment...shame, shame on me I tell ya!
It's only funny if the audience has a clue what you're talking about. ;)

Raymond Fri Mar 25, 2011 09:58am
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Originally Posted by rulesmaven (Post 743684)
Lots of chatter on the internet about a technical foul called early in the second half in the SDSU/UConn game for a bump during a time out. Link at the bottom with a video; I don't know how to imbed.

On a more extended replay, they showed the entire play. SDSU scores a basket. Connecticut calls a TO. One of the SDSU players comes over to woof at Connecticut's walker -- getting into his face. He then backs off, but then on the way to the bench lowers the shoulder and gives him a bump. During the commercial, the crew apparently went to the monitor (as reported by the announcers -- you didn't see it on tv). They called a T.

I think seeing the whole play in context it's an easy T. But I also think there's clearly some embellishment on the part of the Connecticut player.

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Haven't looked at the YouTube video but on the replays last night you can see an official (O'Neil?) right on the spot after it happened and he was pointing at the perpetrator.

Adam Fri Mar 25, 2011 10:01am
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Originally Posted by Judtech (Post 743691)
I think it was a great play. Other terms used would be "crafty" "Cagey" "Grizzled Veteran move".
Foul. Sure. But I bet 9 times out of 10 you'd get away with it.
(I can neither confirm nor deny actually participating in such a manner:))
Agreed on all counts. I drew three fouls one game, as a point guard, by purposefully crossing feet with my defender as we ran down the court. It was too easy.

Jurassic Referee Fri Mar 25, 2011 10:03am
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Originally Posted by clh (Post 743633)
i got nuthin....
+1

JugglingReferee Fri Mar 25, 2011 10:26am
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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 743695)
Haven't looked at the YouTube video but on the replays last night you can see an official (O'Neil?) right on the spot after it happened and he was pointing at the perpetrator.
Easy T call. Why the need to use a monitor?

And how about those vote option after the link? "Total Flop" or a "Mugging". How about in the middle of the road?

rulesmaven Fri Mar 25, 2011 10:30am
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Originally Posted by JugglingReferee (Post 743704)
Easy T call. Why the need to use a monitor?
Good question. To see if there was an elbow maybe?

FWIW, there was a T called earlier in the game for taunting behavior, so my guess is there were plenty of warnings on the floor.

JugglingReferee Fri Mar 25, 2011 10:35am
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Originally Posted by rulesmaven (Post 743706)
Good question. To see if there was an elbow maybe?

FWIW, there was a T called earlier in the game for taunting behavior, so my guess is there were plenty of warnings on the floor.
Gotcha. Thanks for that. So then perhaps they were thinking that with an elbow or something, the foul would go beyond a T?

tomegun Fri Mar 25, 2011 10:42am
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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 743655)
It does look like he threw his body into the defender to shield the pass attempt.

Not sure I would have called anything at first glance, but it appears to be the right call.

Peace
Agreed and similar to what BNR said, I could do something like this easily and purposely on the court.

I know Jones prides himself on being a play caller and he also emphasizes body contact like he called on this play.

stiffler3492 Fri Mar 25, 2011 11:05am
I've got nothing on the Wisconsin play. I see Taylor changing his path, but not to get in the way of Howard. I see him changing paths to pass off to his teammate.

What's the NCAA rule about airborne players?

Adam Fri Mar 25, 2011 11:15am
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Originally Posted by stiffler3492 (Post 743717)
I've got nothing on the Wisconsin play. I see Taylor changing his path, but not to get in the way of Howard. I see him changing paths to pass off to his teammate.

What's the NCAA rule about airborne players?
What does it matter "why" he changed is path? By doing so, he illegally impeded the path of his opponent. His intent is irrelevant on this play.

RadioBlue Fri Mar 25, 2011 11:16am
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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 743692)
It's only funny if the audience has a clue what you're talking about. ;)
I "got it" and thought it was funny. :D

stiffler3492 Fri Mar 25, 2011 11:17am
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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 743721)
What does it matter "why" he changed is path? By doing so, he illegally impeded the path of his opponent. His intent is irrelevant on this play.
What about the flipside...how is Howard totally innocent?

Adam Fri Mar 25, 2011 11:32am
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Originally Posted by stiffler3492 (Post 743723)
What about the flipside...how is Howard totally innocent?
Fair question. Howard sees an open player about to receive the ball and starts to head out to guard him. The question is, who gets the rights to the intersection of their paths?

Had the passer continued his dribble, the defender would have been charged, certainly. But he didn't, he passed, and his actions constituted a screen. Look at the results of the play, it's just like any other screen where the screener is late.

APG Fri Mar 25, 2011 11:34am
Another play from the BYU v. Florida game...block/charge play

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I'd be banging the hips on this one for a block.

Also I should mention that his play preceded a technical foul by a player for arguing this play.


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