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coach-rec Mon Mar 21, 2011 12:38pm
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Originally Posted by asdf (Post 742013)
What the heck other reason is there for your whining ?
I care about the kids and don't involve myself in something without giving it my all. I promised the kids that I would look into it so I am. I also endeavor to educate myself before opening my mouth about something that I admit going into I was less than educated about. Those that have bothered to discuss it with me have shown me quite a few good points about the issue, perspective from a standpoint other than from the bench where I sit, rules and procedures surrounding the issue, and what's normal in other like leagues.

In the end I'm just sorry that I'm not as awesome as you are. I'm just a coach and by definition obviously flawed.

grunewar Mon Mar 21, 2011 12:41pm
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Originally Posted by coach-rec (Post 742014)
I've already asked if it's ok for a father to ref for his sons game
Several yrs ago, I had to ref my son's game.

Now, being an Asst Coach, Bookkeeper, Scoreboard OP, etc. in this league for yrs, and being well known, the coaches had no problems with this. I mean, would you like to have a state certified official who has a son playing or just one uncertified 18 yr old kid with little training or experience calling your game? As has been said here before, always bring your stuff!

Harder on him or his teammates. I dunno? Did I try to be fair? Absolutely.

One thing is certain - the first T I ever issued was against my son, in that game, for unsporting behavior......and his mom AND my parents were in the gym to see it.

It was a cold, quiet ride home in the car after that game.... :o

Adam Mon Mar 21, 2011 12:41pm
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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 741954)
I just find it funny that I was being criticized for my comments early on in this thread and almost everyone since has come to the same conclusions or worse about this coach. ;)

Peace
I guess that makes me the exception to both.
I never criticized you (not in this thread anyway), and I have not come to the same conclusion as you regarding the coach.

asdf Mon Mar 21, 2011 12:42pm
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Originally Posted by coach-rec (Post 742021)
In the end I'm just sorry that I'm not as awesome as you are. I'm just a coach and by definition obviously flawed.
Wrong on both. You just have your priorites out of whack.

If you had them in order, you would have never posted this baloney to start with.

You are the typical, "I'm not blaming the official's, but....." coach / fan.

tref Mon Mar 21, 2011 12:44pm
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Originally Posted by coach-rec (Post 742021)
I'm just a coach and by definition obviously flawed.
+1

Just kidding coach!! Honestly, I love the passion you have for the game.

He just wears a different hat than we do, guys. Remember how seriously you took it when youth/wreck was the highest level you worked?

Adam Mon Mar 21, 2011 12:45pm
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Originally Posted by coach-rec (Post 742014)
From the conversation here I've dulled in my stance and wouldn't use the word "corrupt". I'm not sure what word I would use at this point. It would be somewhere between 'lack of knowledge' and 'selective calls' however I'm not sure that it's worth making an issue. I'm going to have a conversation about it with the league but considering that I've already asked if it's ok for a father to ref for his sons game and was told it has to be that way because these are the refs we have I don't think anything else will matter much either.

An underlying issue is the positioning of the refs but considering the running clock and some other factors I'm not sure that's worth going into either. I'm still interested in what people's thoughts are and have generally enjoyed the discussion.
Fair enough. Personally, I wouldn't have a problem with an official working his son's rec game now and then, but if they're the only refs your league can get, there are problems they aren't sharing; especially if they're paying $30 / game.

My guess (and it's only a guess) is they really aren't trying to find other refs.

Other options:
1. your league has a rep among real officials for poor behavior.
2. It's a long drive from nowhere and $30 isn't enough to get good officials to drive it.
3. ????

Adam Mon Mar 21, 2011 12:46pm
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Originally Posted by asdf (Post 742027)
Wrong on both. You just have your priorites out of whack.

If you had them in order, you would have never posted this baloney to start with.

You are the typical, "I'm not blaming the official's, but....." coach / fan.
Disagree, FWIW.

coach-rec Mon Mar 21, 2011 12:48pm
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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 742029)
Fair enough. Personally, I wouldn't have a problem with an official working his son's rec game now and then, but if they're the only refs your league can get, there are problems they aren't sharing; especially if they're paying $30 / game.

My guess (and it's only a guess) is they really aren't trying to find other refs.

Other options:
1. your league has a rep among real officials for poor behavior.
2. It's a long drive from nowhere and $30 isn't enough to get good officials to drive it.
3. ????
All that's left is to go out and win the game so none of this junk matters. Thanks Snagwells.

asdf Mon Mar 21, 2011 12:50pm
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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 742030)
Disagree, FWIW.
FWIW,

I don't care.

Adam Mon Mar 21, 2011 12:52pm
Didn't think you would, and yet it didn't stop me either.

asdf Mon Mar 21, 2011 12:56pm
Never asked you to stop.

Never will.

Adam Mon Mar 21, 2011 12:56pm
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Originally Posted by coach-rec (Post 742031)
All that's left is to go out and win the game so none of this junk matters. Thanks Snagwells.
No problem.

Now, if I can just get people to see that it's a Q, not a G. :D

Welpe Mon Mar 21, 2011 12:58pm
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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 742033)
Didn't think you would, and yet it didn't stop me either.
Moth. Flame. That whole bit.

coach-rec Mon Mar 21, 2011 01:03pm
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Originally Posted by asdf (Post 742027)
Wrong on both. You just have your priorites out of whack.
I started a thread on http://forum.priorities.com/in_or_out_of_whack so that I could get opinions on that topic as well.

grunewar Mon Mar 21, 2011 01:04pm
So, it's not Snagglepuss?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 742037)
Now, if I can just get people to see that it's a Q, not a G. :D
Snagglepuss is a Hanna-Barbera cartoon character created in 1959, a pink anthropomorphic mountain lion voiced by Daws Butler.He is best known for his famous catchphrase, "Heavens to Murgatroyd!"


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