Another traveling question

[ScottParks]

Originally posted by mick

Yes, you are able.

But, are you willing?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by ScottParks

But, are you willing?

Scott,I am full of class!

Unfotunately.most of it is second.

[BktBallRef]

Originally posted by Nevadaref
BktBallRef,
I politely and respectfully disagree. Please re-read my two sentences above and ponder my point for a moment. Every other rule of basketball is still in effect when a player has the ball on the floor. Why should the pivot foot restrictions not be?

Nevadaref, 4-43-5b is the only traveling rule that applies to a player who is sitting, kneeling, or lying on the floor. Case plays are written to elaborate on this rule. Everything else in 4-43 applies to moving a foot or feet in any direction in excess of prescribed limits while holding the ball and standing.

[Nevadaref]

Originally posted by BktBallRef
while holding the ball and standing. [/B]

We must have different versions of the rules book. Mine has a period after "while holding the ball" at the start of section 43 and a colon following "holding the ball" in art. 5.

I guess your's says "and standing."

[BktBallRef]

No, mine doesn't say standing and I wasn't quoting the rule. But every article under 4-43 addresses a player who is on his feet, either standing still or moving, except for 4-43-5b. The interpretation is not that difficult. There is no pivot foot while a player is not standing.

[Nevadaref]

Originally posted by BktBallRef
But every article under 4-43 addresses a player who is on his feet, either standing still or moving, except for 4-43-5b. The interpretation is not that difficult.

Yeah, and the interpretation is that there is an additional restriction for a player on the floor that he may not get up.

Originally posted by BktBallRef
There is no pivot foot while a player is not standing.

Nowhere in the rules book or case book does it say this.

[Dan_ref]

Originally posted by Jurassic Referee



P.S.- "I politely and respectfully disagree"?? I like that! Can I use it? Has a little bit more flair than "wrong,a$$hole".

Klassy. Real klassy.

[Dan_ref]

Originally posted by Nevadaref

Yeah, and the interpretation is that there is an additional restriction for a player on the floor that he may not get up.

Nowhere in the rules book or case book does it say this.

Maybe, but it is understood to read that way.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by Dan_ref

Klassy. Real klassy.

You're wrong,a$$hole!

Oops...

Damn,fell off the wagon again.

[BktBallRef]

Originally posted by Nevadaref

Nowhere in the rules book or case book does it say this.

Tell ya what. You go ahead and make that call. Then you can justify it but saying, "Nowhere in the rule book does it say that." I'm sure it will go over fine.

[DownTownTonyBrown]

4-43 "Traveling (running with the ball) is moving a foot or feet in excess ..."

Can one of you classy, experienced, ding-a-lings explain how a player LYING ON THE FLOOR with both feet waving in the air, or both feet on the floor moving, or any oither pipe dream situation, possibly be called "RUNNING WITH THE BALL?"

A player lying on the floor with no change in location or pivoting due to foot movement equals NO TRAVEL for me.

4-43-1 through 5a. are for a player standing - this, standing, is the general mode in which we play basketball.

4-43-5b is the only rule discussing a player on the floor and is the only rule applicable to a player on the floor. "Gaining possession while on the floor and TOUCHING with other than hand or foot, may not attempt to get up or stand."

Touching WHAT with other than hand or foot? Obviously, touching the floor - therfore NOT STANDING.

[ScottParks]

4.43.5 SITUATION B: A1 dives for a loose ball and slides after gaining control. A1 is in a position either on his/her back or stomach. What can A1 do without violating? Ruling: A1 may pass, shoot, start a dribble or call a time-out. Once A1 has the ball and is no longer sliding, he/she may not roll over. If flat on his/her back, A1 may sit up without violating. Any attempt to get to the feet is traveling unless A1 is dribbling. It is also traveling if A1 puts the ball on the floor, then rises and is first to touch the ball.
This clearly talks about what a player can do with control of the ball while on the floor on their back or stomach. There is no ambiguity here.

[BktBallRef]

Thank you DTTB! Perhaps your explanation will sink a little better than mine did!