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[walter]

Originally Posted by Rob1968

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QUOTE:All I can say is that the rules on incidental contact are very clear and say that contact can be severe and not be a foul. That means that a player can be knocked to the floor for all kinds of things and not have a foul.

Please, help me understand your philosophy. When I read 4-27-2, and 4-27-3, neither seems to fit a scenario in which the contact, "even though it may be severe" would be caused by a defender trying to block a shot; or if that contact appears to be caused by only one of the the players involved - "...when opponents are in equally favorable positions to perform normal defensive or offensive movements..." "...contact which does not hinder the opponent from participating in normal defensive or offensive movements should be considered incidental."
It does seem that contact which causes an airbourne opponent to be unable to maintain balance, upon returning to the floor more fits a description of illegal contact.
(I do a lot of mentoring of newer/younger officials in my area, and am always looking for the philosophy/wording that will best help them to understand a valid "no-call".)
Thanks in advance.

Think of this. Hard, fast drive to the basket from the wing by A1 (small guard). B1 (big body center) comes straight down the lane line toward the endline on the same side and jumps to block the shot. B1 legally beats A1 to the basket and while in the air cleanly blocks the ball and the two bodies come together and A1 ends up falling to the floor and the ball goes straight out of bounds. You have two bodies, basically getting to the same spot at practically the same time, contact which can be hard given the speed, and the ball going out of bounds. To me this is a no call even with possibly severe contact.

Another is drive by A1 one to the basket at B1. B1 jumps up vertically and blocks the ball and is contacted by A1 (also airborne) with such force that B1 is bent over the top of A1 and A1 ends up on the ground. To me, this is either a no call or possibly a player control foul on A1 even though A1 got the brunt of the contact.

In both situations, to me, B1 did nothing illegal and the shooter ended up on the ground after contact.