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LeeBallanfant Wed Feb 23, 2011 09:48pm

Fan Celebration
 
Watching the Michigan-Wisconsin game made me think of this question.

With time winding down in 2nd half V lead H by 2 points. With less than a second to go, but before expiration of time H player launches a three right near the 3 point line. Official throws hands in air signifying three points as time expires. H fans rush on court to celebrate, but officials wish to consult monitor.
Wisely waiting 5 minutes until all fans are cleared off court they go to monitor and see that it should be a 2 point shot sending game into OT.

Start OT with a T?

grunewar Wed Feb 23, 2011 09:50pm

I can't believe how many times this same issue has come up this season........ Ting the fans........?!

APG Wed Feb 23, 2011 10:11pm

Not in my wildest dreams

APG Wed Feb 23, 2011 10:14pm

http://forum.officiating.com/basketb...hes-court.html

LeeBallanfant Wed Feb 23, 2011 10:24pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer (Post 733725)

So this NCAA casebook play is just lip service:

A.R. 252. Team B leads, 67-66. A1’s two-point try for goal is successful,
but there is no indication that time has expired. Assuming that
the successful try was a game-ending and winning goal:
105
RULE 10 / FOULS AND PENALTIES
(1) Bench personnel from Team A; or
(2) Fans from Team A go onto the playing court to celebrate.
RULING: When the celebration causes a delay by preventing the ball
from being promptly made live or prevents continuous play:
(1) (Men) A CLASS B technical foul shall be assessed to the head
coach. The coach’s technical foul does not count toward the team foul
total but does count toward the coach’s ejection.
(Women) One bench technical foul shall be assessed to the offending
team and counts toward the team foul total. This technical foul is also
charged indirectly to the head coach and counts toward the coach’s
ejection.
(2) An administrative technical foul shall be assessed to the offending
team. (Men) This CLASS B technical foul does not apply to the team
foul total. (Women) This administrative technical foul does apply to
the team foul total.
Any player from Team B shall attempt the two free-throws and play
shall resume at the point of interruption. When the celebration does
not delay or interfere with play, the celebration shall be ignored.
(Rule 10-2.9.d and Penalty, 10-4.7 and Penalty, and 10-6.2.h and
Penalty)

Mark Padgett Wed Feb 23, 2011 10:49pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by LeeBallanfant (Post 733728)
So this NCAA casebook play is just lip service:

In my games, yes. I've never even seen an NCAA rulebook, let alone a casebook.

just another ref Wed Feb 23, 2011 10:54pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by LeeBallanfant (Post 733719)
Watching the Michigan-Wisconsin game made me think of this question.

With time winding down in 2nd half V lead H by 2 points. With less than a second to go, but before expiration of time H player launches a three right near the 3 point line. Official throws hands in air signifying three points as time expires. H fans rush on court to celebrate, but officials wish to consult monitor.
Wisely waiting 5 minutes until all fans are cleared off court they go to monitor and see that it should be a 2 point shot sending game into OT.

Start OT with a T?

Quote:

Originally Posted by LeeBallanfant (Post 733728)
So this NCAA casebook play is just lip service:

A.R. 252. Team B leads, 67-66. A1’s two-point try for goal is successful,
but there is no indication that time has expired.

It seems that this case is not applicable.

APG Wed Feb 23, 2011 10:57pm

That case book plays says there's no indication that time has expired. That's why that case book play is applicable.

bob jenkins Wed Feb 23, 2011 11:17pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer (Post 733740)
That case book plays says there's no indication that time has expired. That's why that case book play is applicable.

No, it's not.

If the fans rushing the court don't delay the game, there's no T. In the OP, time expired before / as the fnas rushed the court. There was no delay (delay here is NOT a delay in starting the OT, but in preventing the other team from inbounding the ball).

APG Wed Feb 23, 2011 11:25pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 733748)
No, it's not.

If the fans rushing the court don't delay the game, there's no T. In the OP, time expired before / as the fnas rushed the court. There was no delay (delay here is NOT a delay in starting the OT, but in preventing the other team from inbounding the ball).

Just went back and read the end part of the case book play. :o

chseagle Wed Feb 23, 2011 11:40pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett (Post 733736)
In my games, yes. I've never even seen an NCAA rulebook, let alone a casebook.

Startdevelopfinish.com has the 2010-2011 NCAA Rulebook available to browse through.

ThatOneRef Thu Feb 24, 2011 03:29am

Agree
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 733748)
No, it's not.

If the fans rushing the court don't delay the game, there's no T. In the OP, time expired before / as the fans rushed the court. There was no delay (delay here is NOT a delay in starting the OT, but in preventing the other team from inbounding the ball).

Gota agree with bob here. You cant really asses a delay when there's no time left on the clock(also the score board states an obvious victor). Just a bad idea to T the fans at this point. Will NOT work out in your favor

Camron Rust Thu Feb 24, 2011 04:22am

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThatOneRef (Post 733789)
Gota agree with bob here. You cant really asses a delay when there's no time left on the clock(also the score board states an obvious victor). Just a bad idea to T the fans at this point. Will NOT work out in your favor

I only recommend calling a T on the fans if it is a double T and both teams already have 10 fouls. :p


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