Traveling Question # 623

[btaylor64]

Does Anybody besides me disagree that ref in PA is wrong in saying that because it is a two handed pass and he goes and retrieves it (without dribbling) that it is a travel?

When did that become illegal? What about power dribbles i.e., post player pounds the ball hard to the floor ONE TIME. That is not an illegal dribble, so what makes this?

The player has every right to go recover the ball w/o being penalized. Maybe I'm missing something here. If so, please enlighten me.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by btaylor64

Does Anybody besides me disagree that ref in PA is wrong in saying that because it is a two handed pass and he goes and retrieves it (without dribbling) that it is a travel?

His post was almost 5 years ago. Who really cares at this point?

Peace

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by btaylor64

Does Anybody besides me disagree that ref in PA is wrong in saying that because it is a two handed pass and he goes and retrieves it (without dribbling) that it is a travel?

When did that become illegal?

He did not say it was a travel. He said it was an illegal dribble, which is correct.

In the op, A1 had already used his dribble before the pass attempt.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by btaylor64

Does Anybody besides me disagree that ref in PA is wrong in saying that because it is a two handed pass and he goes and retrieves it (without dribbling) that it is a travel?

When did that become illegal? What about power dribbles i.e., post player pounds the ball hard to the floor ONE TIME. That is not an illegal dribble, so what makes this?

The player has every right to go recover the ball w/o being penalized. Maybe I'm missing something here. If so, please enlighten me.

What you missing is understanding the rules. A two-handed pass is not a fumble that can be legally recovered.

The player ended his first dribble when he touched it with both hands. If he then did a power dribble ONE TIME, that power dribble sureasheck would be an illegal SECOND dribble.

[btaylor64]

Ok yeah, my bad, i didn't read the sitch right. I missed the part about him dribbling. Sorry. Yes definitely an illegal dribble.

[Daryl H. Long]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Bonus question: In which year was JR resurrected?

Nevada. Is this a trick question or do you know something I don't?

JR still lists his location as HELL.

[rwest]

Originally Posted by btaylor64

Does Anybody besides me disagree that ref in PA is wrong in saying that because it is a two handed pass and he goes and retrieves it (without dribbling) that it is a travel?

When did that become illegal? What about power dribbles i.e., post player pounds the ball hard to the floor ONE TIME. That is not an illegal dribble, so what makes this?

The player has every right to go recover the ball w/o being penalized. Maybe I'm missing something here. If so, please enlighten me.

By power dribble do you mean a dribble with two hands on the ball? Why is that legal? Would you allow a point guard bringing the ball up to dribble the ball with two hands? If not, why allow it to the big man in the paint? Is there some rule that allows this?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by rwest

By power dribble do you mean a dribble with two hands on the ball? Why is that legal? Would you allow a point guard bringing the ball up to dribble the ball with two hands? If not, why allow it to the big man in the paint? Is there some rule that allows this?

I'ts legal if it's only one bounce. You can start the dribble by pushing it to the floor with both hands. You can end the dribble by catching it with both hands. You can't dribble again (unless ...)

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by rwest

By power dribble do you mean a dribble with two hands on the ball? Why is that legal?

A power dribble is started with two hands. Perfectly legal. It can also be ended with two hands, also perfectly legal.

[rwest]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

A power dribble is started with two hands. Perfectly legal. It can also be ended with two hands, also perfectly legal.

Ok, so it can be started with both, but a point guard who while bringing the ball up touches the ball with both hands has violated, correct?

Thanks in advance!

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by rwest

Ok, so it can be started with both, but a point guard who while bringing the ball up touches the ball with both hands has violated, correct?

Thanks in advance!

The point guard has not yet violated.

[rwest]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

The point guard has not yet violated.

Why not? He can't dribble with two hands. He can only start a dribble with two. Maybe I wasn't clear. I meant he dribbled with two hands sometime after starting his dribble. I know that the rules apply equally to all players.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by rwest

Ok, so it can be started with both, but a point guard who while bringing the ball up touches the ball with both hands has violated, correct?

Nope, touching the ball with both hands simply ends the dribble. It isn't a violation per se.If they dribble again, it is an illegal second dribble. If they end the dribble with a 2-handed fumble, they can go get the ball as long as they also don't dribble again.

Make sense?

[rwest]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Nope, touching the ball with both hands simply ends the dribble. If they dribble again, it is an illegal second dribble. If they end the dribble with a 2-handed fumble, they can go get the ball as long as they also don't dribble again.

Make sense?

Yep, I'm with you now!

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by rwest

I meant he dribbled with two hands sometime after starting his dribble.

If he ended the dribble by touching the ball with 2 hands, then it would be a violation if he dribbled again....even once.