Will probably never see it again

[APG]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Some feel the same way about last minute fouls. To me, if a team is able to play keep-away for that long, more power to them.

I dunno...I don't see the two tactics in the same light. I don't view keep away as basketball. I can say, I've been fortunate never to be involved in a game like this.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

I dunno...I don't see the two tactics in the same light. I don't view keep away as basketball. I can say, I've been fortunate never to be involved in a game like this.

The only way they can "keep it away" is if the defense lets them. It is not like this is on the offense only. They could come out and guard to change this all together.

Peace

[Adam]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

I dunno...I don't see the two tactics in the same light. I don't view keep away as basketball. I can say, I've been fortunate never to be involved in a game like this.

I've never had it happen to that extent. My point wasn't whether your or I see them as the same; but that there are quite a few who feel last minute fouling "isn't basketball." I disagree with them just as I disagree with you on this. It's not as if they're turning down layups; they're running their offense looking for layups and being extremely patient and disciplined.

Even if they were turning down layups; do we ever condemn the team that's leading by 4 with 10 seconds left when they actually turn down a wide open layup and pass the ball around for 10 seconds?

[APG]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

The only way they can "keep it away" is if the defense lets them. It is not like this is on the offense only. They could come out and guard to change this all together.

Peace

You're right it's not only on the offense, but the offense is going to have the advantage here. A halfway competent team on the offensive end would be able to burn a minute or two easily short of the defense just being superior athletes.

[BillyMac]

I observed one of these games about twenty years ago after one of my my junior varsity games. Very small, unranked, Catholic high school, with it's best basketball behind it, just a year away from closing due to low enrollment, at a very large, public, urban, high school, with two future Division I players on the roster, ranked in the top five in the state. Catholic school only shot layups, not a single jump shot. The public school team ended up winning, something like 21 to 17, but the Catholic school team was in it until the end, and would have won if it had hit a few more free throws. Catholic school coach's son was the point guard, his dad was a state coach of the year, point guard has gone on to became a successful coach in his own right. It was one of the most exciting games I've ever observed. At first the home crowd was upset about the tactics, but began to realize that this was a special kind of game, and eventually got into it like any other game.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by BLS

Third quarter summary: 2 points, 2 possession changes, and no whistles! The quarter literally lasted 8 minutes. I assume I'll never see that again.

I can't quite match that, but I posted this story a while ago:

More AAU Nonsense

[Rita C]

Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap

A Princeton type offense keeps the ball moving from player to player. Nobody is holding or dribbling for very long.

I've mostly done games with shot clocks so I haven't seen this. But I have heard "closely guarded" was supposed to be sufficient to not truly need a shot clock.

This post belies that argument then.

Rita

[Pantherdreams]

No we're way off topic lol. As an officials players play the game, coaches coach and officials officiate. So my personal view point will not have any bearing on how I do the job I'm paid to do.

As a basketball stakeholder though I am pro shot clock. I am also concerned by tactics that don't promote skill development or creation of the maximum number of athletes with global skill at any level below college.

the LLaBB: HOW THE SHOT CLOCK IMPROVES PLAYER DEVELOPMENT

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

I don't view keep away as basketball.

I had a spirited discussion with someone who feels the same way. That guy teaches at the high school that was on the losing end of the game I link-posted earlier, so perhaps "consider the source" plays a role here.

This can be an emotional issue. Those that want the shot clock can be very adamant. I tend to believe that having a shot clock for every high school game -- varsity, JV, freshmen -- will cause far more problems than the number of stall-ball games they'll prevent. I foresee shot-clock reset errors cause bigger issues in games than stall-ball ever will.

Someone else pointed out that fundamentals have taken such a whack at the high school level, that a shot clock will only create more sloppy play. Honestly, I don't see a shot clock happening in the northeast corner for a long while.

[APG]

Originally Posted by bainsey

I had a spirited discussion with someone who feels the same way. That guy teaches at the high school that was on the losing end of the game I link-posted earlier, so perhaps "consider the source" plays a role here.

This can be an emotional issue. Those that want the shot clock can be very adamant. I tend to believe that having a shot clock for every high school game -- varsity, JV, freshmen -- will cause far more problems than the number of stall-ball games they'll prevent. I foresee shot-clock reset errors cause bigger issues in games than stall-ball ever will.

Someone else pointed out that fundamentals have taken such a whack at the high school level, that a shot clock will only create more sloppy play. Honestly, I don't see a shot clock happening in the northeast corner for a long while.

I would buy the shot clock resetting error issue except we already have states that use the shot clock. Let's not act like working the shot clock is some great mystery. I don't doubt that it would be rough at first. There would definitely be an adjustment period. But low and behold, those states that do use the shot clock seem to be doing just well. I also believe that those that use FIBA rules use the shot clock at all levels at well. So it's definitely something that can be taken care of with some time.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

I would buy the shot clock resetting error issue except we already have states that use the shot clock.

Yup, and I would guesstimate that I have at 1 shot clock error every other game. Either an incorrect reset or failure to reset (not just starting incorrectly, which happens all the time, even in college games).

Originally Posted by bainsey

Someone else pointed out that fundamentals have taken such a whack at the high school level, that a shot clock will only create more sloppy play.

Around here, basketball skill levels are at a really low point. I can't say for sure that it's because of the shot clock. It might just be because kids have so many other things to occupy their time that they don't spend the time to practice those skills. But I do see too many teams who try to play an "up tempo" game, but utterly lack the skills to do it and it makes for ugly, ugly basketball.

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

I would guesstimate that I have at 1 shot clock error every other game.

There it is. That seems a lot more frequent than the number of stall ball games there are.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by bainsey

There it is. That seems a lot more frequent than the number of stall ball games there are.

More frequent, sure, but for those who claim stall ball is some sort of travesty, it's less problematic.