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LeeBallanfant Mon Feb 14, 2011 10:51pm

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Originally Posted by ThatOneRef (Post 729857)
Seems like you guys are just getting OLD, maybe let these YOUNG refs in that can "RUN" or be "mentally" able to handle a 2 man game. (not that hard....) I don't see any reason to have 3 officials. If the TWO officials are "on the same page" (so to speak) then they should be MORE than adequate.




Wow more than adequate, logically that means one official could handle the game.

Texas Aggie Mon Feb 14, 2011 11:26pm

I have all but quit accepting 2 person Varsity games. I'll only take them with a very strong partner.

3 years ago, I thought most HS (frosh and JV) around here would be 3 person. With the budget situation, that's not happening anytime soon, though I don't expect things to go backwards.

just another ref Mon Feb 14, 2011 11:32pm

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Originally Posted by DesMoines (Post 729949)
OT - I try not to think too hard about what I make an hour. I'll average ~$75 for working a G/B doubleheader (as low as $60 as high as $90 - and no gas $$). So say I make the 2+ hr trek each way to a small school in rural Iowa, I might net $10/hr... but probably not. :(

That's actually less than we make. (LA) The least I can get for a varsity doubleheader is $72. (3 man, $31/game, minimum travel $10 per man)
A normal varsity night, (2 man is about all we do) is more like $90 to $95.

eyezen Tue Feb 15, 2011 12:04am

I can only speak for my area of Missouri - but on a typical game night there is a Soph/Varsity DH of the same gender. There will be a 2-man Soph crew (pay is I think $46) and a varsity 3-man crew ($65).

On the rare occasion that there is a Girls/Boys varsity DH there will be two distinct varsity 3-man crews. Also usually with that there are two prior (or concurrently in a sec gym) Soph games with two 2-man crews on those as well.

On occasion a Soph official will pull double duty due to injury or other circumstance, he will be paid as though he was working two distinct games.

biggravy Tue Feb 15, 2011 12:15am

We have taken a step backwards here in Southeast Kansas going from all 3 man varsity, to now where only one conference uses 3 man. We hear much more whining and yelling from coaches, most of us are frustrated, and it doesn't matter at all. What's worse, we go back to 3 for all playoffs and the teams get to adjust to us now having that third set of eyes. All this so each school can save $700. Yep. That much.

All our V games are GV/BV doubleheaders. Schools are limited to 20 games. That is 20 GV/BV dates. 10 home, 10 away. 10 home dates @ 2 x $115 for two man, or 3x 100 for three man. Do the math. Each school saves 700/yr. It's total crap.

zm1283 Tue Feb 15, 2011 12:46am

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Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 730062)
I'm not sure your math is right and I think you should divide those totals by 2....a team only plays half their games at home (you mention that but don't seem to use it in your math). A different team would be covering the other 11 games. (Or each team is covering half of the total each night).

Or are you saying a referee gets $110 per game? Or is that for a JV/V double header where the JV would get the same crew?

It is 11 girls and 11 boys games. Yes, the JV and V games are the same crew. Two games of 8-minute quarters each (A lot of the big schools play 8-minute JV quarters) would be $110 for each official for the night.

We have over 200 officials in our group, but we have a lot of schools to cover, so I don't think separate JV and V officials would be feasible.

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Originally Posted by mbyron (Post 730075)
Could be 11 boys' + 11 girls' games = 22 games. ;)

Yep.

ThatOneRef Wed Feb 16, 2011 02:29pm

Lol
 
LOL! talk all the sh*t you want guys. I LOVE IT! LOL. There are NO 3 man crews in Oregon at the time, all high school games are 2 man crews, j.v. as well as varsity. A 2 man crew is just fine for ANY basketball game, yes a 3 man crew is easier (for you old men out there) but 2 is just as good, you can see everything just fine (unless you wear old man glasses), and the game will go just as fast as a 3 man crew. Besides the economy is in the hole, i don't see y'all 3 manning crews much longer.
ANd as for reffing circles around me, me being an "idiot" (quote from some of you) and all you others that are talking it up. keep it coming old men! I encourage a little bit of sh*t talk! :D (kinda what the 1st post was for) ><

Adam Wed Feb 16, 2011 02:33pm

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Originally Posted by ThatOneRef (Post 730830)
LOL! talk all the sh*t you want guys. I LOVE IT! LOL. There are NO 3 man crews in Oregon at the time, all high school games are 2 man crews, j.v. as well as varsity. A 2 man crew is just fine for ANY basketball game, yes a 3 man crew is easier (for you old men out there) but 2 is just as good, you can see everything just fine (unless you wear old man glasses), and the game will go just as fast as a 3 man crew. Besides the economy is in the hole, i don't see y'all 3 manning crews much longer.
ANd as for reffing circles around me, me being an "idiot" (quote from some of you) and all you others that are talking it up. keep it coming old men! I encourage a little bit of sh*t talk! :D (kinda what the 1st post was for) ><

Thanks for proving you're an idiot. If I wanted to be subjected to this sort of spelling, grammar, and emoticons, I'd read my daughter's emails. Come back after you graduate from high school.

I'm not even going to bother responding to the actual substance of your post; it would be like arguing with a wall.

Raymond Wed Feb 16, 2011 02:33pm

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Originally Posted by ThatOneRef (Post 730830)
LOL! talk all the sh*t you want guys. I LOVE IT! LOL. There are NO 3 man crews in Oregon at the time, all high school games are 2 man crews, j.v. as well as varsity. A 2 man crew is just fine for ANY basketball game, yes a 3 man crew is easier (for you old men out there) but 2 is just as good, you can see everything just fine (unless you wear old man glasses), and the game will go just as fast as a 3 man crew. Besides the economy is in the hole, i don't see y'all 3 manning crews much longer.
ANd as for reffing circles around me, me being an "idiot" (quote from some of you) and all you others that are talking it up. keep it coming old men! I encourage a little bit of sh*t talk! :D (kinda what the 1st post was for) ><

All this post does is reinforce that you don't know anything about officiating or that you're just trying to be an a$$-clown. You can let us know which one applies.

JRutledge Wed Feb 16, 2011 02:36pm

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Originally Posted by ThatOneRef (Post 730830)
LOL! talk all the sh*t you want guys. I LOVE IT! LOL. There are NO 3 man crews in Oregon at the time, all high school games are 2 man crews, j.v. as well as varsity. A 2 man crew is just fine for ANY basketball game, yes a 3 man crew is easier (for you old men out there) but 2 is just as good, you can see everything just fine (unless you wear old man glasses), and the game will go just as fast as a 3 man crew. Besides the economy is in the hole, i don't see y'all 3 manning crews much longer.
ANd as for reffing circles around me, me being an "idiot" (quote from some of you) and all you others that are talking it up. keep it coming old men! I encourage a little bit of sh*t talk! :D (kinda what the 1st post was for) ><

You had all that time to respond and this was the best you could do?

Peace

tref Wed Feb 16, 2011 02:39pm

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Originally Posted by ThatOneRef (Post 730830)
LOL! talk all the sh*t you want guys. I LOVE IT! LOL. There are NO 3 man crews in Oregon at the time, all high school games are 2 man crews, j.v. as well as varsity. A 2 man crew is just fine for ANY basketball game, yes a 3 man crew is easier (for you old men out there) but 2 is just as good, you can see everything just fine (unless you wear old man glasses), and the game will go just as fast as a 3 man crew. Besides the economy is in the hole, i don't see y'all 3 manning crews much longer.
ANd as for reffing circles around me, me being an "idiot" (quote from some of you) and all you others that are talking it up. keep it coming old men! I encourage a little bit of sh*t talk! :D (kinda what the 1st post was for) ><

Really?

I'd like to see this guy work!!

3 person isnt about "easier" or "faster" games, its about better court coverage!

Adam Wed Feb 16, 2011 02:47pm

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Originally Posted by tref (Post 730838)
Really?

I'd like to see this guy work!!

3 person isnt about "easier" or "faster" games, its about better court coverage!

Yep, and if baby Einstein here was right, then you can bet they'd be using 2 man crews at the NCAA and NBA levels as well.

ThatOneRef Wed Feb 16, 2011 02:54pm

Old man rage!
 
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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 730837)
You had all that time to respond and this was the best you could do?

Peace

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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 730835)
All this post does is reinforce that you don't know anything about officiating or that you're just trying to be an a$$-clown. You can let us know which one applies.


LOL! U mad old man? Dont be, its just a forum.

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 730834)
Thanks for proving you're an idiot. If I wanted to be subjected to this sort of spelling, grammar, and emoticons, I'd read my daughter's emails. Come back after you graduate from high school.

I'm not even going to bother responding to the actual substance of your post; it would be like arguing with a wall.

IT IS AN INTERNET FORUM. Get with the times old man. Spelling is correct, and all the grammar and "emoticons" are all "correct too" ITS AN INTERNET FORUM. Oh wait, do you know what the internet is? Here: Internet - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

jTheUmp Wed Feb 16, 2011 02:57pm

Obvious Troll is Obvious

ThatOneRef Wed Feb 16, 2011 02:59pm

Hey!
 
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Originally Posted by jTheUmp (Post 730849)
Obvious Troll is Obvious

HEY! Looks like someone got it right!
Dang old men don't get it. LOL. poor guys..


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