Double Technical Foul - How many free throws?

[dietpepsicherry]

Situation:

Player A (Team A) drives to the basket and is fouled before the shot(reach in foul), by Player B (Team B). The ref blows the whistle.

Player B responds with " that fuc*in bullsh*t" and gets a T.
in response to the T, player B adds more profanity and gets a second T. Player B is thus ejected from the game.

Player A goes to the line. How many free throws should he have? Does Team A retain possession?

Does the amount of free throws change if its a shooting foul and not a reach in?

[SNIPERBBB]

No such thing as a reach-in foul to start.

Since not a shooting foul.

Player from Team A shoots 2 FT's for first T.
Same or another player shoots the 2 FT's for the second T.

A's ball at the division line.

If the foul was a shooting foul, or in the bonus, those shots are shot before the Technical FT's are shot.

Again, no such thing as reach-in foul.

[APG]

While we know what you are saying when you say a "reaching" foul, know that it isn't a foul to reach. A defender could never steal the ball on the ball handler if he didn't reach for it.

As far as the play goes, assuming your playing under NFHS rules, then it would be four free throws for Team A, and a throw-in at the division line. If there's a foul in the act of shooting, then the free throws for the foul are shot first. Then the four free throws for the technical fouls, followed by a throw-in at the division line.

[grunewar]

Slightly different situation, but I applied the rule properly yesterday when the "double T" happened in my game. Sad ending to a pretty good game.

Oh well. He had it coming. Thy protesteth too much!

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by SNIPERBBB

No such thing as a reach-in foul to start. Again, no such thing as reach-in foul.

"You know it sounds so nice, I've got to say it twice, New York, New York." (Johnny Winter)

Reaching in is not a foul. There must be illegal contact to have a foul. The mere act of reaching in, by itself, is nothing. If illegal contact does occur, it’s probably a holding foul, an illegal use of hands foul, or a hand check foul.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by dietpepsicherry

Player A drives to the basket and is fouled before the shot, by Player B. The ref blows the whistle. Player B responds with " that fuc*in bullsh*t" and gets a T. In response to the T, player B adds more profanity and gets a second T. Player B is thus ejected from the game. Player A goes to the line. How many free throws should he have? Does Team A retain possession? Does the amount of free throws change if its a shooting foul and not a reach in?

"Before the shot". Before the bonus, no free throws. If in the bonus, one and one for the player who was fouled, no rebounders along lane. If in the double bonus, two shots for the player who was fouled, no rebounders along lane. Possession at the division line (penalty for technical foul) in all three cases.

"Shooting foul". Two shots for the player who was fouled, no rebounders along lane. Possession at the division line (penalty for technical foul).

Four free throws for the technical fouls can be shot by anybody, even four different players, or substitutes.

Reaching in is not a foul. Maybe you mean illegal use of hands?

[dietpepsicherry]

okay so to sum up the replies correctly:

if Team B is not in the penalty then Team A gets 4 free throws and the ball.

if Team B IS in in the penalty then Team A gets a 1 and 1 and then 4 free throws and the ball?

I ask all of this, because this happened to me 2 nights ago. And the player on my team shot 6 straight free throws and we got the ball.

Was just checking to see if the ref who left this happen was huffing paint or if it was all legit.


p.s. i said reach in, because he reached in for the ball and hit him on the hand, but player A WAS NOT in the act of shooting. so yes non-shooting foul.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by dietpepsicherry

okay so to sum up the replies correctly:

if Team B is not in the penalty then Team A gets 4 free throws and the ball.

if Team B IS in in the penalty then Team A gets a 1 and 1 and then 4 free throws and the ball?

I ask all of this, because this happened to me 2 nights ago. And the player on my team shot 6 straight free throws and we got the ball.

Was just checking to see if the ref who left this happen was huffing paint or if it was all legit.


p.s. i said reach in, because he reached in for the ball and hit him on the hand, but player A WAS NOT in the act of shooting. so yes non-shooting foul.

Yep, you got it.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by dietpepsicherry

If Team B is in in the penalty then Team A gets a 1 and 1 and then 4 free throws and the ball?

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Yep, you got it.

Almost, but not quite there yet.

Team A does not get the one and one, the player on Team A who was fouled gets the one and one. Team A will get the four technical foul free throws, either players, or substitutes, maybe four different shooters.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by dietpepsicherry

p.s. i said reach in, because he reached in for the ball and hit him on the hand, but player A WAS NOT in the act of shooting. so yes non-shooting foul.

If the defender reached in and hit the dribbler's hand while that hand was on the ball, by rule that isn't a foul.

[dietpepsicherry]

so the moral of this story is: if your team is up by 8 with under 35 seconds to go, do not commit a foul followed by a double t; as 6 made free throws and the ball can cause your lead to disappear pretty quickly.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

If the defender reached in and hit the dribbler's hand while that hand was on the ball, by rule that isn't a foul.

Jurassic Referee: Good catch.

It is legal use of hands to accidentally hit the hand of the opponent when it is in contact with the ball. This includes holding, dribbling, passing, or even during a shot attempt. Striking a ball handler or a shooter on that player's hand that is incidental to an attempt to play the ball is not a foul, no matter how loud it sounds or how much it hurts.

[Remington]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Jurassic Referee: Good catch.

It is legal use of hands to accidentally hit the hand of the opponent when it is in contact with the ball. This includes holding, dribbling, passing, or even during a shot attempt. Striking a ball handler or a shooter on that player's hand that is incidental to an attempt to play the ball is not a foul, no matter how loud it sounds or how much it hurts.

Is this a quote from a rule/case book? If so, can you tell me where. I am familiar with the wording of 10.6.2 but was wondering if you got this from an official publication (so I could copy it!!!)

[APG]

Originally Posted by Remington

Is this a quote from a rule/case book? If so, can you tell me where. I am familiar with the wording of 10.6.2 but was wondering if you got this from an official publication (so I could copy it!!!)

"Hand is part of the ball" is true at all levels of play in America

NFHS

4-24 Hands and Arms, Legal and Illegal Use
Art 2... It is legal use of hands to reach to block or slap the ball controlled by a dribbler or a player throwing for goal or a player holding it and accidentally hitting the hand of the opponent when it is in contact with the ball

NCAA
4-36 Hands and Arms, Use of
Art. 2. It shall be legal for a defender to accidentally hit the hand of a ballhandler when reaching to block or slap the ball when there is player control with that player’s hand in contact with the ball and when that player is:
a. A dribbler;
b. Attempting a try for field goal; or
c. Holding the ball.

NBA
Rule 12, Section B. Personal Fouls
Section I,
e. Contact which occurs on the hand of the offensive player, while that hand is in contact with the ball, is legal

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Remington

Is this a quote from a rule/case book?

No. I have taken it upon myself to be the "keeper" of the list of The Most Misunderstood Basketball Rules. This is one passage from that list.

I started working on this list back in March 2005, for a presentation that I was making to a college level basketball coaching class after I was asked to give a lecture on the most misunderstood basketball rules. The list has evolved many times over the years.

This is a list of high school basketball rules that are often misunderstood by coaches, players, and parents. I developed this list over the past thirty years, officiating thousands of basketball games, listening to erroneous comments from players, coaches, and mostly from fans, and thinking to myself, "I wish I could stop the game and explain the real rule to them". This list is meant to educate those players, coaches, and fans.

For example. A player is dribbling the ball in the backcourt and a fan is yelling, "Three seconds". Or, a player is inbounding the ball and a parent yells, "He's stepping on the boundary line". How many times have things like this happened to you? Don't you just want to blow the whistle, stop the game, and say, "There can't be a three second violation until the ball is in the frontcourt", or, "The player can step on the line, but not over the line".

(Note that this list is not designed to educate officials. It is not written in "officialise".)

The Most Misunderstood Basketball Rules