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Jurassic Referee Wed Feb 09, 2011 08:55am

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Originally Posted by rwest (Post 728052)
The writer of the case book believes the POI is not the AP but the TRY IN FLIGHT!

And the writer is completely correct as per NFHS rule 4-36. The POI is the try in flight. And some of the POI's end up being AP's, and this is one of them.

And for the record, I'm not sure exactly whatinthehell you two are arguing about. The rules are very clear imo. Rule 4-36-1 lays out when you go to the POI. Rule 4-36-2 lays out how you resume play at the POI is in different situations. And in the play being discussed, you use 4-36-2(c) because neither team was in control.

It's straightforward to me.

rwest Wed Feb 09, 2011 09:13am

And to me as well
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee (Post 728063)
And the writer is completely correct as per NFHS rule 4-36. The POI is the try in flight. And some of the POI's end up being AP's, and this is one of them.

And for the record, I'm not sure exactly whatinthehell you two are arguing about. The rules are very clear imo. Rule 4-36-1 lays out when you go to the POI. Rule 4-36-2 lays out how you resume play at the POI is in different situations. And in the play being discussed, you use 4-36-2(c) because neither team was in control.

It's straightforward to me.

Some believe the POI in this case is the AP Arrow. I say the POI is not the AP Arrow, but the AP is the way we resume play, just as you have said. But others disagreed and the argument began.

just another ref Wed Feb 09, 2011 10:08am

Quote:

Originally Posted by rwest (Post 728066)
Some believe the POI in this case is the AP Arrow. I say the POI is not the AP Arrow, but the AP is the way we resume play, just as you have said. But others disagreed and the argument began.


This will hurt your argument, but I agree with you.


POI= Play is resumed at the point of interruption. We start over at the exact point where we would have been had there been no whistle. If this is not possible, play is resumed with an AP throwin.

Jurassic Referee Wed Feb 09, 2011 12:41pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by rwest (Post 728066)
Some believe the POI in this case is the AP Arrow. I say the POI is not the AP Arrow, but the AP is the way we resume play, just as you have said. But others disagreed and the argument began.

Semantics, guys. And semantics that do nothing but confuse.

The POI is the POI. Nothing more; nothing less. You resume play according to the play conditions at the time of the POI.

You both obviously know the rule and how to apply it correctly. Why argue about meaningless semantics?

JMO

Adam Wed Feb 09, 2011 01:20pm

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Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee (Post 728141)
Semantics, guys. And semantics that do nothing but confuse.

The POI is the POI. Nothing more; nothing less. You resume play according to the play conditions at the time of the POI.

You both obviously know the rule and how to apply it correctly. Why argue about meaningless semantics?

JMO

Why did the scorpion sting the frog?

Jurassic Referee Wed Feb 09, 2011 02:09pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 728163)
Why did the scorpion sting the frog?

To get to the other side?:confused:

rwest Wed Feb 09, 2011 02:09pm

Because
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee (Post 728141)
Semantics, guys. And semantics that do nothing but confuse.

The POI is the POI. Nothing more; nothing less. You resume play according to the play conditions at the time of the POI.

You both obviously know the rule and how to apply it correctly. Why argue about meaningless semantics?

JMO

Semantics can't be meaningless because by definition it is the study of meaning! Sorry, I couldn't help myself! :)

Adam Wed Feb 09, 2011 02:11pm

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Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee (Post 728188)
To get to the other side?:confused:

Because it's in his nature.

rwest Wed Feb 09, 2011 02:11pm

Because
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 728163)
Why did the scorpion sting the frog?

It's what scorpions do. I think this is a comment directed at my propensity for arguing semantics! :)

Jurassic Referee Wed Feb 09, 2011 02:20pm

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Originally Posted by rwest (Post 728192)
It's what scorpions do. I think this is a comment directed at my propensity for arguing <font color = red>meaningless</font> semantics.

Fixed it for ya...

And with any luck I pissed off both you and bainsey while doing so. :D

rwest Wed Feb 09, 2011 02:23pm

Lol
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee (Post 728203)
Fixed it for ya...

And with any luck I pissed off both you and bainsey while doing so. :D

Where you trying to piss us off? :D

mbyron Wed Feb 09, 2011 02:31pm

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Originally Posted by rwest (Post 728204)
Were you trying to piss us off? :D

Intent is not a factor.

rwest Wed Feb 09, 2011 02:40pm

Intentional Foul
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mbyron (Post 728212)
Intent is not a factor.

Intentional Foul on mbyron. Two shots and the ball! :D

mbyron Wed Feb 09, 2011 02:41pm

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Originally Posted by rwest (Post 728218)
Intentional Foul on mbyron. Two shots and the ball! :D

Hmph. That's the thanks I get for fixing your spelling error? :p

Adam Wed Feb 09, 2011 02:42pm

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Originally Posted by rwest (Post 728192)
It's what scorpions do. I think this is a comment directed at my propensity for arguing semantics! :)

Nah, more about why I've engaged the argument for so long.


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