I've seen it all

[just another ref]

It also should be a lesson to the coach. He has 5 players on the court who should also be aware, and should see his request and relay it to the official. Many players now seem to not be aware that they, too, may make the timeout request.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by just another ref

It also should be a lesson to the coach. He has 5 players on the court who should also be aware, and should see his request and relay it to the official. Many players now seem to not be aware that they, too, may make the timeout request.

Why should the coach depend on getting a player's attention in order to get the time out when he is supposed to have the right to request one directly? It can't hurt to get the players to do that but their first priority is actually playing the game, not relaying messages between the coach and the officials when the officials are not paying attention., For such a situation to end in a T is not right. By the book, yes, but going by the book would have also led to a timeout before it got to that point.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Why should the coach depend on getting a player's attention in order to get the time out when he is supposed to have the right to request one directly? It can't hurt to get the players to do that but their first priority is actually playing the game, not relaying messages between the coach and the officials when the officials are not paying attention., For such a situation to end in a T is not right. By the book, yes, but going by the book would have also led to a timeout before it got to that point.

I'm against the T here also. The officials should have gotten it, I agree, but they didn't. Their first priority is also the playing of the game, not the coach. For these reasons, the players should also be aware of the situation, and be quick to pick up and help the request be heard.

[Loudwhistle2]

Originally Posted by just another ref

I'm against the T here also. The officials should have gotten it, I agree, but they didn't. Their first priority is also the playing of the game, not the coach. For these reasons, the players should also be aware of the situation, and be quick to pick up and help the request be heard.

I saw a similar situation last night in the BV that I was watching. Coach ran down almost to the endline screaming time out. Reff granted the time out. Other coach was screaming for a technical since he was way out of his box. No T was given and rightfully so. Friend sitting next to me asked what I would do and I said exactly what was done. This is good game management in my opinion. When a close game gets down to the last minute or so, I go around to my partners and remind them to watch the coaches requesting time out.

[CMHCoachNRef]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Why should the coach depend on getting a player's attention in order to get the time out when he is supposed to have the right to request one directly? It can't hurt to get the players to do that but their first priority is actually playing the game, not relaying messages between the coach and the officials when the officials are not paying attention., For such a situation to end in a T is not right. By the book, yes, but going by the book would have also led to a timeout before it got to that point.

So long as the rule book is reads the way it does, the HEAD COACH has the RIGHT to request a time out. As time goes by, fewer and fewer PLAYERS ever call time out. It is incumbent upon the officials to be AWARE of the situation.

I do NOT mean to imply that all three or both officials should be fixated on the coaches' boxes during the game, BUT, game situations should cause one of the officials (typically NOT the official with the ball in his primary) to glance at the attacking team bench during these situations.

A glance (by ONE of the officials) takes under a tenth of a second. Failing to do so can ruin an otherwise great game.

[Freddy]

Agree heartily that officials must be situationally aware of those likely occasions of timeout requests. that's a right afforded under the constitution.
This did, however, bring back memories of the good old days when our coaches taught us those crucial situations in which we, as players on the floor, should actually--get this--request a timeout ourselves. And we did from time to time.
I know, I know. That's about as rare today as a kid getting up out of his chair and walking across the room to change the television channel dial and adjust the tinfoil on the rabbit ears.
I guess Chris Webber didn't help the cause any, either.

[RobbyinTN]

I can't believe one of the officials didn't glance over in anticipation of a TO being requested. We can't read coach's mind but if we are officiating ball we should have some knowledge of ball strategy - which with 12 seconds to go and down by a basket you can bet the coach is going to call a TO so be expecting it

No way in the world would I give a T in the scenario

[JRutledge]

Officials do not have to be aware of anything with a coach during active play. It is the team's responsibility only to worry about getting the official's attention. If they cannot do that, shame on them. I am not looking at any coach for a timeout request and never will. I only care about what is taking place on the court. If I hear and see a request I will grant it. Too much is going on that I will miss if I pay that close attention to a coach. Coaches need to train their players to repeat or respond to their requests. It is funny that when a player gets in some kind of trouble they request timeouts, so why are coaches not teaching their players to respond to them yelling something. Half the time I cannot hear a coach if the crowd is really big. Sorry, this is all on the teams, the officials can only respond to what they know. And if they are focused on the court, they are not going to always know who is asking for a timeout.

Peace

[RobbyinTN]

Well I disagree. While my focus is on the floor it takes one quick glance to the bench. I don't do it except near the end of a close game. It does not take my attention off the game

[amusedofficial]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Sorry, this is all on the teams, the officials can only respond to what they know. And if they are focused on the court, they are not going to always know who is asking for a timeout.

Precisely. It is not our job to help coach the team, our responsibility is on the floor.

If it's a timeout situation, every one of the coach's players should have known it. There have been games that devolved into controversy when an assistant requested the TO and it was granted.

Let me ask this, though. What do you do when a coach says "I want a timeout if it's a make" prior to a free-throw? Do you wait to hear it, listen for it, or treat it as having been requested.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Freddy

That's about as rare today as a kid getting up out of his chair and walking across the room to change the television channel dial and adjust the tinfoil on the rabbit ears.

Freddy: I hope you realize that a large percentage of the Forum membership has absolutely no idea of what you're talking about.

Note: My daughter is living on student loans while she puts herself through medical school. She can't afford cable television. She asked me if there was any way that she could use "bunny ears".

[Freddy]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Freddy: I hope you realize that a large percentage of the Forum membership has absolutely no idea of what you're talking about.

Yeah, I might have a few more miles on the odometer, but you don't have to be an Environmental Chemical Analyst about it.

Sorry, was looking for the first opportunity to use that one.

[Judtech]

Call me a T.O. checker. I will say that it is easier to do in 3 person crew then 2 but it was something that was drilled in my head early on in my officiating career. It seems counter-intuitive that we are talking about how we deal with coaches during every other part of the game when they are doing what they shouldn't be doing, yet when they are doing something they are by rule allowed to do, some are saying we should ignore them b/c there is too much happening ON the court.
And the point that it is a coach's responsibility to get the officials attention that they want a T.O. would seem to cover this coach running down onto the court to do just that. If the officials aren't looking, what are the supposed to do in a loud, cramped gym?